What would the precogs see?

[Hellion]

Not sure if there's a speculation thread for this topic, and I couldn't find one, so here it is.

For me, the banning of precognitive mutants from resurrection is the biggest mystery in this story. At the end of HoX/PoX, Xavier seems to want all the Krakoans to learn the "truth"...eventually. What truth is he referring to? The way the conversation progresses, it appears like he's referring to the truth that, as per Moira's 9 previous lives, mutants always lose in their conflict with humans. Is that all there is behind Xavier, Moira and Magneto keeping secrets? Are they afraid that if "mutants always lose according to multiple Moira lives/timelines" becomes common knowledge, pessimism would end Krakoa and mutants would revert back to multiple, warring factions?

I mean, that assumption makes sense, but then it's also kind of silly because it just makes Destiny look like a Debby Downer that they're trying to avoid at a party. If all they're afraid of is that when they resurrect Destiny, she'll say "I've seen the future. This Krakoan Experiment won't work," what's the real danger? They could just reply, "How about telling us if you see a future where mutants win? And if such an outcome doesn't exist, then just shut up and make yourself useful here." Honestly, with Destiny's power, she should be an asset to Krakoa, not an enemy. So what do you think is going on?

Is Moira controlling all the mutants somehow? Would Destiny want to destroy everything Moira's helped build because the truth is that the mutants are enslaved by her in Hippy Commune Land, and not actually free? I'm outta ideas. Let's hear yours!

[Drexelhand]

Not sure if there's a speculation thread for this topic, and I couldn't find one, so here it is.

For me, the banning of precognitive mutants from resurrection is the biggest mystery in this story. At the end of HoX/PoX, Xavier seems to want all the Krakoans to learn the "truth"...eventually. What truth is he referring to? The way the conversation progresses, it appears like he's referring to the truth that, as per Moira's 9 previous lives, mutants always lose in their conflict with humans. Is that all there is behind Xavier, Moira and Magneto keeping secrets? Are they afraid that if "mutants always lose according to multiple Moira lives/timelines" becomes common knowledge, pessimism would end Krakoa and mutants would revert back to multiple, warring factions?

I mean, that assumption makes sense, but then it's also kind of silly because it just makes Destiny look like a Debby Downer that they're trying to avoid at a party. If all they're afraid of is that when they resurrect Destiny, she'll say "I've seen the future. This Krakoan Experiment won't work," what's the real danger? They could just reply, "How about telling us if you see a future where mutants win? And if such an outcome doesn't exist, then just shut up and make yourself useful here." Honestly, with Destiny's power, she should be an asset to Krakoa, not an enemy. So what do you think is going on?

Is Moira controlling all the mutants somehow? Would Destiny want to destroy everything Moira's helped build because the truth is that the mutants are enslaved by her in Hippy Commune Land, and not actually free? I'm outta ideas. Let's hear yours!

Destiny's power isn't absolute, things change all the time for her and she's prone to believing her visions are wrong. Take for instance a moment during X-Factor around the Mutant Massacre, she assumed Cyclops had become evil despite her visions telling her there was a slim chance of that ever occurring. If she's going to see that Krakoa fails, then that's what she sees. She's a mutant, not Dr. Strange.

[Grunty]

I'm keeping the possibility open that everything or at least a lot about Moira X is fake and that some powerfull being warped her into existence as a convinient excuse to alter Xavier's mind and goals in order to steer mutantkind towards a path said being desires for them.
That the massive retcon which created Dawn of X is also an in universe one. Perhaps to get mutants on the path of becomming homo novissima (as in winning a race towards that state) or something akin to The City from Ultimate Marvel, in order to join a hive mind which can then harness the power of their X-gene.
After all the whole Hive Mind hirarchy must have been introduced for a reason in HoX/PoX.

All while Moira X herself is entirely unaware of being fake and she fully believes she is doing the best for mutantkind, with her fear of Destiny from the 3rd memory being a convinient excuse for her to have Xavier bann her and precogs collectively from Krakoa.
Not because they could predict mutantkind always losing, but because they could see the dark future the mutants are possibly currently heading for.

[Journey]

Probably Krakoa getting Genosha'd, Mutants being sterilized again, slaughter of mutants by the 1000's ect. Future is ever changing in Marvel nothing gis set in stone but according to Moira they always lose in the end and she just doesn't want that narrative to get leaked to the public.

[useridgoeshere]

Destiny would see Moira and her power.

I don’t think Moira cares about them seeing Mutants losing. That’s the lie she’s telling to justify the rule.

[danielsan52]

The five should accidentally resurrect Madame Webb.

[Phoenixx9]

I do not know what "the Truth" is that was referred. Hopefully, they have some good twists and turns planned for us.

[Sutekh]

That the massive retcon which created Dawn of X is also an in universe one. Perhaps to get mutants on the path of becomming homo novissima (as in winning a race towards that state) or something akin to The City from Ultimate Marvel, in order to join a hive mind which can then harness the power of their X-gene.
After all the whole Hive Mind heirarchy must have been introduced for a reason in HoX/PoX.

I had this notion back in the day that the Celestials showed up to various planets in their formative days and seeded the to-be-dominant species with the potential for mutation, and created a servitor race of Eternals able to combine into a Uni-Mind, as part of a bigger plan.

When the planet was finally 'ripe,' and had millions of mutants, the Celestials would return, the Eternals would combine into a Uni-Mind one last time, and all of mutantkind (and whatever remains of humanity), would merge into a fledgling Celestial, joining the Host and leaving the lifeless husk of their world behind.

Moira's plan, and now the arrival of so many mutants from Arakko, is hastening the day the Fourth Host returns to pluck the ripening fruit...

[Huntsman Spider]

Her being a mutant isn't the problem - Sinister and Jackal exchange notes. They're only interested in certain parties because of which section of Marvel they're in. They'd both be able to resurrect clones, though Sinister's are higher quality, since the Five rely on Sinister's ben stores - that's what he's there for. Cerebro also copies mutants but that technology is just telepathy amplified mutant telepathy ins't any different from any other psyche. They could create a clone of Peter Parker if they wanted to and got his DNA. His psyche may not be exact but even the soul was transferred in Jackal's experiments and he didn't need the Five or Cerebro. The main reason they keep it to mutants it because of editorial and Krkao society is hilariously anti-non mutant. Question is
why aren't the Five thinking about about cloning other beings even for curiosity sake?

Technically, the Jackal and Mister Sinister raided each other's labs, but your point is an interesting one. If the rest of the world discovers Krakoan immortality, they could end up turning to the Jackal and his advanced cloning techniques to match or compete against that, or even Tony Stark's biotech regeneration method that restored him and James Rhodes back in the finale of Brian Bendis's Iron Man run. After all, one of the great fears surrounding transhumanism is that without death as the great equalizer, with certain groups of people being able to cheat death on a routine basis, it'll set the stage for an immortal overclass and a permanent underclass of "mere mortals" consigned to live forever, proverbially speaking, under the boot of said overclass.

I had this notion back in the day that the Celestials showed up to various planets in their formative days and seeded the to-be-dominant species with the potential for mutation, and created a servitor race of Eternals able to combine into a Uni-Mind, as part of a bigger plan.

When the planet was finally 'ripe,' and had millions of mutants, the Celestials would return, the Eternals would combine into a Uni-Mind one last time, and all of mutantkind (and whatever remains of humanity), would merge into a fledgling Celestial, joining the Host and leaving the lifeless husk of their world behind.

Moira's plan, and now the arrival of so many mutants from Arakko, is hastening the day the Fourth Host returns to pluck the ripening fruit...

Sounds like how Earth X's sequels in that universe answered a lot of the questions about the true nature and origin of a lot of things in Marvel continuity, even if those answers didn't necessarily apply to Earth-616.