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Basically what I get from this thread is that everyone who wrote WW and are not named Greg Rucka or George Perez are the worst WW writers lol.
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DCAU team only cared about the rogues they could fetishize... Giganta not wearing pants. Cheetah and Batman kissing (not gonna lie though, I thought that was funny). They also popularized the misconception that Cheetah is just a woman with "cheetah powers" and not a mortal who got her powers from a God and can fight toe-to-toe with Wonder Woman.
At least Zack was very supportive of Patty's view of Wonder Woman. Most of these other writers would have tried to force her to stay as warrior woman, or treat her as a stab-first ask-questions-later femi-nazi who hates men or humanity as a whole.
Yeah I agree with this list.
In particular, as I recall, the Genocide reveal was supposed to be Knockout from Secret Six who had been killed by Infinity-Man.
This was an approved storyline, but halfway through the arc, editorial had decided that all the New Gods needed to remain dead for a plotline, so Gail was told that she could not use Knockout. This then forced Gail to have to change the entire origin and backstory for Genocide in mid-plot.
I remember there was more to it than that, and similar things were happening to other writers (George Perez, for example, was on Superman and had to re-write and re-draw entire issues because of what was going on in Action despite having editorial approval for his work, which led to him leaving the title)
Not really. All the ones being mentioned have good reasons to be considered bad WW writers. While people such as Gail Simone. Phil Jimenez, Orlando among others are not being listed as bad WW writers. They weren't the best runs from the character, but they were far from bad.
That's not true. Marston is also loved.
But for real, I don't think many people would put Jimenez, Orlando, Luke, Messner-Loebs, or Simone (woops, just saw Koriand'r above me..) on the "Worst" list. They're just not cited as the best as often as Rucka or Perez.
Yeah, I feel like Simone was one of the few people who could balance between peaceful Wonder Woman and warrior Wonder Woman. I feel like Orlando always comes in at the tail end of a bad WW run and gets stuck cleaning up other writers messes before he can start his own stuff.
I thought the main impediments in Simone’s run was she inherited a mess from Infinite Crisis/Amazons Attack. There’s stories I don’t like like Genocide arc dragging on too long but there was more I enjoyed of it than disliked.
What I liked about it really enforced that it's Wonder Woman's choice to be how she is. She wasn't defined by prejudices of her parent society because she chose not to be. She chooses to be a good person. To me that was more powerful.
I know lots of people didn't like it online but I thought it was a great run.
Even the idea of them being stagnant as a society makes sense to me. Why would they evolve if it's the same people living on the island forever? I don't hate them as a concept. I just don't like the idea of a isolationist, gender biased, MONARCHY being seen as progressive and forward thinking. It just baffles me but to each their own.
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You don't need to vilify Diana's parent culture to show how she chooses to be who she is.
I also would like to point out how Azzarello also how the story ended with no changes whatsoever to Olympus's culture despite how toxic and stagnant it is. After everything that happened, Zeus is back on the throne again. It's as much a monarchy as the Amazons (btw what is it with you putting that word in all caps) but apparently doesn't need to change at all. Azzarello also conveniently ignores Zeus's misogyny and disregard for people's consent in his run.
If you look at the most horrible things done in the world, they were almost never by isolationist nations. The worse the Amazons did prior to this was stay on their island and mind their own business. But Zeus's numerous murders and rapes don't deserve to be punished.
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Were we ever supposed to think the Olympians are a good society? They are petty, disturbed beautiful amoral monsters. I thought that shone through in Azzarello's run. I never defended them.
The difference is we are expected to buy into the Amazons being a utopian society despite it's obvious flaws. Utopia would not be a monarchy with a queen ruling without elections for thousands of years.
North Korea.
The Amazons have not been a utopia in decades, so this strawman doesn't work. No one is asking for them to be perfect. We're asking for them to be sympathetic with some flaws like any other society. Hell, they had a democracy at one point, something that is conspicuously absent from Olympus at the end of the story. The book doesn't even portray monarchy as a bad thing, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up.
I said almost never for a reason. And that's to their own citizens not people outside their country.North Korea.
Anyway, I don't know if Azzarello is the absolute worst WW writer even if I largely don't care for his run. I'd put Kanigher, O'Neil and Johns up there with him.