Does DC hates the 90's?

[LAWtoyoto 432]

Wally didn't exist in the New 52 until majority of the fans basically demanded to bring him back.
Kyle Rayner got depowered and now rarely shows up.
Tim Drake got sidelined as a background character in most Batbooks.
Dick Grayson was basically dead for 2 years worth of books in favor of Ric.
Bart and Connor didn't exist in the New 52 until the bendis's Young Justice. Before that, they were replaced by the wannable Bar-torr and Kon-el.
Roy Harper doesn't even have his Daughter anymore.... and he's dead
Connor Hawke doesn't even exist anymore, still waiting for him to come back.

Any suggestion why?

[charliehustle415]

No, I don't think so.

They're trying to acquire new customers.

The '90s were 30 years ago, even if you were born in the late 90's to early 00's you've already aged out of the demographic that ATT wants to get.

They want the generation that were born in the late 00's to early 10's and in that time DC has already changed a lot; just like how Kyle, Wally, and Tim are "my" Green Lantern, Flash, and Robin so to are Hal, Barry, and Damian (I think)? for this new generation.

It's like telling me Kyle isn't the "real" Green Lantern it's this old dude with grey temples or Robin isn't Tim but some dork called Jason.

In ten years from now they're gonna go after the New 52 generation and so on and so forth it goes on forever.

[Primal Slayer]

Yes. They are doing everything in their power to prop up Hal, Barry. Wally and Kyle were a threat to that so they have to degrade them. Conner gets in the way of the new shiny toy that is Jon so he needs to be dealt with. Connor Hawke likely would become popular nowadays and they dont want Oliver to have kids so forget about him.

[Stanlos]

Yes. They are doing everything in their power to prop up Hal, Barry. Wally and Kyle were a threat to that so they have to degrade them. Conner gets in the way of the new shiny toy that is Jon so he needs to be dealt with. Connor Hawke likely would become popular nowadays and they dont want Oliver to have kids so forget about him.

There is that word threat again in a discussion of Green Lantern Corps. But this time from the other side, it seems. What does it mean here? I don't understand how the Hal one "threatens" the Kyle one or how the John one "threatens" the Hal. Am I getting lost in the word meanings?

[Lee Stone]

They didn't care much for the '80s either, btw, which is when the Baxter books reigned over everything until The Dark Knight Returns came out and started Batman's rise to dominance.

[skyvolt2000]

There is that word threat again in a discussion of Green Lantern Corps. But this time from the other side, it seems. What does it mean here? I don't understand how the Hal one "threatens" the Kyle one or how the John one "threatens" the Hal. Am I getting lost in the word meanings?

It boils down to usage and removing competition.

You put them in badly done books. See T'Challa at Marvel.
You hire writes who hate the character-see T'Challa.
You restrict access to them by writers. See the Inhumans.
You get a writer to write them out-see Jason Rusch.
You erase them-see Stephanie Brown and Cass and Wally.
You replace them with a racist stereotype-Wallace West.
You remove them from a book see Spectrum at Marvel.
You have editors AX books in SPITE of sales-Green Lantern Mosaic, Lost Army and so on.

Why is it done???

Because for those gate keepers-they feel like you SHOULD only be a fan of those franchise because of Hal, Barry and so on.

And they are willing to alienate as many folks as they can to do so.

And forfeit sales as well.

When they don't have to.

[bat39]

For all the talk about DC hating the 90's, it's pretty interesting just how much the 90's have influenced many of the live-action films of the past decade or so.

BvS was partially based on Death of Superman. The Long Halloween has inspired not one but two of the most successful Batman films of all time - TDK and The Batman. Knightfall and No Man's Land were massive inspirations for TDKR. Black Adam was inspired by the JSA World War III arc which came out at the fag end of the 90's, and the Rock's version of Black Adam was inspired by the one introduced in The Power of Shazam in the 90's. Jason Momoa's Aquaman may be his own thing, and the plots might be more New 52 inspired than anything else, but his overall look and demeanor is heavily inspired by Peter David's 90's Aquaman run.

[Noodle]

No, I don't think so.

They're trying to acquire new customers.

The '90s were 30 years ago, even if you were born in the late 90's to early 00's you've already aged out of the demographic that ATT wants to get.

They want the generation that were born in the late 00's to early 10's and in that time DC has already changed a lot; just like how Kyle, Wally, and Tim are "my" Green Lantern, Flash, and Robin so to are Hal, Barry, and Damian (I think)? for this new generation.

It's like telling me Kyle isn't the "real" Green Lantern it's this old dude with grey temples or Robin isn't Tim but some dork called Jason.

In ten years from now they're gonna go after the New 52 generation and so on and so forth it goes on forever.

That theory is flawed, though, in that Hal and Barry are from the generation before the 90's generation. They were brought back and made prominent at the expense of the 90's generation.

[skyvolt2000]

That theory is flawed, though, in that Hal and Barry are from the generation before the 90's generation. They were brought back and made prominent at the expense of the 90's generation.

THIS.

Wally, Kyle, Cassandra, Steel, Shazam, Tim and others SOLD. They made DC MONEY.

You don't RUIN what made you money because you want certain folks in the forefront. You make it work together.

Don't say DC likes Money and dead properties like Sugar & Spice can get tossed in a book. While Jaime Reyes is nowhere to be seen. While folks like Vixen are on tv shows and get DENIED stuff.

DC was a fanboy paradise. Now it's trying to be a business. Problem is after Batman-what do you got? Because everyone else is struggling because of previous behaviors.

[Ilan Preskovsky]

It's funny about the whole "'90s aesthetic" that they did embrace it with the New 52 but, ironically, DC in the '90s wasn't really like that. A few outliers, sure, but it wasn't like with Marvel where they really took the whole Image thing to heart but, ya know, with knock offs since the real deals left to form Image. DC in the '90s was Vertigo, the triangle era for Superman, Starman, Hitman, Chuck Dixon's Batman, Waid's Flash, Marz' GL, Kesel's Superboy, PAD's Supergirl and the like. The grimdark, so-called edgy stuff never really lasted that long or made much impact even at the time.

[extra skater]

It's funny about the whole "'90s aesthetic" that they did embrace it with the New 52 but, ironically, DC in the '90s wasn't really like that. A few outliers, sure, but it wasn't like with Marvel where they really took the whole Image thing to heart but, ya know, with knock offs since the real deals left to form Image. DC in the '90s was Vertigo, the triangle era for Superman, Starman, Hitman, Chuck Dixon's Batman, Waid's Flash, Marz' GL, Kesel's Superboy, PAD's Supergirl and the like. The grimdark, so-called edgy stuff never really lasted that long or made much impact even at the time.

But dude

[LAWtoyoto 432]

THIS.

Wally, Kyle, Cassandra, Steel, Shazam, Tim and others SOLD. They made DC MONEY.

You don't RUIN what made you money because you want certain folks in the forefront. You make it work together.

Don't say DC likes Money and dead properties like Sugar & Spice can get tossed in a book. While Jaime Reyes is nowhere to be seen. While folks like Vixen are on tv shows and get DENIED stuff.

DC was a fanboy paradise. Now it's trying to be a business. Problem is after Batman-what do you got? Because everyone else is struggling because of previous behaviors.

See, this is the "ROOT OF THE PROBLEMS."

[cranger]

That theory is flawed, though, in that Hal and Barry are from the generation before the 90's generation. They were brought back and made prominent at the expense of the 90's generation.

I am not sure of the validity of the 'theory' but there is truth. We all entered comics at different times and we all thought the books that came out when we started, or at least the ones we really really liked, were the best and should be coming out forever, not thinking that the books and characters that they replaced had previously been seen the same way by the previous generation, and so we did not care, and that is fine because we need to be replaced by new readers who are looking for new things and not the same things catering to us as we became so choosy and close minded.

[charliehustle415]

That theory is flawed, though, in that Hal and Barry are from the generation before the 90's generation. They were brought back and made prominent at the expense of the 90's generation.

It's cyclical man... it all goes around... *puff* *cough* *cough*

[Avengers1986]

DC was pretty good in the 90s, Flash, JLI, Batman, Detective Comics, Death of Superman and the Return, JLA.

Could have done without Supes mullet and Superman Blue