Dick Grayson
Bruce Wayne
Cassandra Cain
Richard Dragon
Lady Shiva
Bronze Tiger
Connor Hawke
Black Canary
Ra's al Ghul
Jason Todd
Wasn’t it established recently in a Batman issue (possibly in King’s run) that Bronze Tiger could beat or at least fight Bruce to a draw if it’s just one on one with no weapons?
Certain comics you just have to take with a grain of salt and this is definitely one of them, cause neither Catwoman nor Harley should stand a chance even against the weakest League of Assassin's members, much less Cheshire & Dark Archer.
Overall it's sometimes good to keep in panel feats and in universe facts separate. League of Assassin's members are generally used as fodder with even untrained people being capable of beating them, but in universe they are some of the greatest.
For a thread like this, you would pretty much use universe facts and not panel feats, otherwise you'll always run into inconsistencies (even for Batman).
Last edited by Marik Swift; 01-22-2021 at 03:15 AM.
I'm not saying Jason doesn't deserve some recognition, but it just seems odd to me that you would consider Jason before Dick?
Sure, Jason has those feats, but it's comics, so some of these feats you have to take with a grain of salt. And even if you want to consider it a feat, Dick himself has beaten Shiva in the past, as have people like Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon, etc, lost to people who have no business beating them.
I generally just see Bruce as a jack of all trades, master of none. He learned from everyone, but certainly didn't master any of their style, but rather simply just learned them so that he would know how to counter them.
Dinah on the other hand has pretty much been retcon in almost all continuities to have been training since she was a kid and has has never stopped training consistently ever since, whereas Bruce probably started training when he was like 18 and certainly only finds sparse time to train.
They should imo pretty evenly matched, I would see Jason ahead due to his LoA and All Caste Training (but I'm biased).
And realisticly Dick should actually be in a pretty poor physical condition at this point, due to all "Ric" stuff. I mean it would require a lot of training to get back into shape after being in Koma for month, but the comics ignored that sofar.
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Yeah, that version wasn't Bruce, but Thomas Wayne.
Bruce started training at a young age, before he was even a teenager and studied under masters.
Thomas Wayne only became Batman after he was a full grown adult. I don't know where he got his training, but the willingness to just shoot his enemies worked to his advantage too.
Frankly, any member of the family should have been enough to bring him down.
I didn't say Babs, I said Bats. As in "The Batman".
I didn't understand this sentence (we're not post-covid and I'm not sure if I know what a cap store is), but the sarcasm kind of bleeds trough, so:
What I'm saying here is actually pretty correct. We've got people like Batman and Bronze Tiger, whose training takes them as far as a "normal" human can go. And then we have Shiva and, specially, Cass, whose brain wiring has been ttinkered with into turning them into fighting machines. For all intents and purposes, they're almost meta. This has been shown, multiple times, both pre and post Flashpoint.
If you take a no nonsense, no restraining herself Cass, as per comic book logic and showings, there would be no diference for her between fighting Batman and, say, Ted Kord.
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I find it funny that people vote for Cass here but think about it, does anyone really see any writer putting Cass up against other Batman's villains like Bane for example and showing that she is superior to Batman in fighting h2h against his villains? So in "Batman" comics, would you see the likes of Bat villains like Bane being taken down by Cass more easily in a fight than the main protagonist Batman himself? Like Batman, Dick would struggle against Bane but somehow Cass is gonna have an easier time than them in fighting against him? lol
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Sorry but no writer is gonna write "Batman" comics to show how Cass is gonna take down Batman villains more easily than the main protagonist Batman himself even in just physical fights.
Batman himself has a record of beating multiple rogues in enclosed space at the same time on many occasions. How? Nerve strikes and the use of smoke grenades and other gadgets.
So the idea of an alternate version of Batman being able to beat up multiple underlings trained by the main version of Batman is not far off.
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