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Yeah, but it’s factual from the late 90’s onward. At the end of the day, Bats as he is today is THE BEST in very few things. However, he is a “master” at everything he does, which is unique. Babs is a better hacker, there are better fighters and better scientists and better businessmen and so on. But no one can do everything that he does at his level.
ConnEr Kent flies. ConnOr Hawke has a bow. Batman's kid is named DamiAn.
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Did Cass ever fight against Bane?
Bane without venom slam Jason's head to the ground
So you are telling me the guy who broke Batman's back, humiliated Nightwing, dominated Red Hood is gonna be beaten by Cass more easily than those 3 Bat characters ive just mentioned?
Cass has bested Dick and the most Bruce was able to do was stalemate her when she wasn't seriously trying to hurt him. So yeah, there's a pretty good argument that Bane could be beaten by her more easily.
And Bane only broke Bruce's back because the guy was too physically exhausted to properly defend himself.
These types of threads really do bring out the insecurity in Bruce's fans.
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Cass is a heroic character. If Cass is seen as the best fighter, who does she regularly fight against then? Bunch of no name thugs? Who tests her abilites on a regular basis? If Cass is so good, why isnt she written to be a great help to Batman like his Robin?
Im not stanning for Batman but if you say Cass is that good, who are her regular foes? Only when Cass is put up against various other villains, then i would say there is a definite proof that she is undisputedly the best fighter. Right now i cant see that, especially after Flashpoint Batman having beaten her. To me, the best fighter isnt simply someone who has a few victories against one or two top tier fighters but is also proven to be good against the field as well.
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Shiva has afaik not really any training that goes above what Richard Dragon and Bronze Tiger have. If you go back to the original she had even less.
It wasn't untill after COIE that she suddenly became the best fighter. And even in Death in the Family she and Bruce were pretty evenly matched and she lost once Jason helped Bruce.
Question, can Cass and Shiva defeat Superman, Darkseid or even one of Joker's grand schemes? No, they can't. For all their talents, that is a limit to what their kung-fu allows them to achieve.
If Cass, Shiva or any of the characters presented as better than Batman had to defeat an enemy with super powers above mid-tier they would be useless, because they are limited to what their martial arts training (and let's be real, popularity) allows them to do. Batman is limitless, because in universe he is the guy that can prepare to anything and out of universe he is the most popular comic book character DC or even Marvel have.
So, in universe the writers have other hailed as better martial artists than Batman for the same reason Supergirl, Conner, H'El and Jon Kent are declared as ''maybe stronger" than Clark, because that will prop them up.
But when it really matters we know who wins a fight. They will just say Batman spent 3 months running simulations that made possible for him to predict Shiva's exactly moves and to land a single powerful punch on her, and he just made the punch counts, or something like that. And I say all this as a Superman fan that is used to see Bruce Wayne do the same type of thing to my favorite characters.
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you how you gonna dismiss every other character's skill as being defined by popularity, but then in the same breath talk about how Batman is limitless? an percieved "limitlessness" attributed to Batman is purely due to popularity, you're drinking the kool-aid. lets stop the cap, Batman has limits and without tech or planning ahead, going purely on hand to hand like the rest if these people, he's not fighting Superman, Darksied, or any superpowered individual that these other fighters couldn't. if he could trade hands at that level, that would break the premise of Batman as a superhero.
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