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    Post What happen if Jean Grey was potrayed by a black woman ?

    How do you feel if MCU start to cast the actors for the role when the X-Men movie is greenlit ? What if Jean Grey is given the role to black woman ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAWtoyoto 432 View Post
    How do you feel if MCU start to cast the actors for the role when the X-Men movie is greenlit ? What if Jean Grey is given the role to black woman ?
    That would be so unnecessary. The X-Men already has the most prominent black woman in comics and i don’t need to hear the endless whining.

    Also I feel like we might not even get Jean (at least at first) because they kinda gave her look and her powers to Wanda.

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    Some people would gripe. Other people would defend it. Everyone would get over it. But if we’re race-bending characters, especially the all-white O5, I think there are better choices. Cyclops and Iceman are the two I would look at for that.

    Scott Summers could easily be Hispanic in my opinion. Corsair (or his mother) could be Hispanic. Or both. Makes sense. Lots of Hispanics in the U.S. Armed Forces, and Corsair was a Major in the Air Force. Wouldn’t change the core of the character in my view to make him Latino or half-Latino.

    Iceman is another one. Would making him Black change anything about him really? Not sure we’ve had a gay, Black character in the X-men yet. Unless I missed it. Maybe Northstar’s husband, but he’s not a mutant or an X-man.

    I could even make the case for Beast over Jean Grey (and over Warren, whose whiteness and privilege are kind of core to his character and also to his descent into darkness as the Angel of Death/Archangel, which is an important arc for him). But there are issues with making a character who is blue all the time a minority. I get that. However, I could see him as a big, strong Samoan American pretty easily.

    Just my $.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackraow21 View Post
    Some people would gripe. Other people would defend it. Everyone would get over it. But if we’re race-bending characters, especially the all-white O5, I think there are better choices. Cyclops and Iceman are the two I would look at for that.

    Scott Summers could easily be Hispanic in my opinion. Corsair (or his mother) could be Hispanic. Or both. Makes sense. Lots of Hispanics in the U.S. Armed Forces, and Corsair was a Major in the Air Force. Wouldn’t change the core of the character in my view to make him Latino or half-Latino.

    Iceman is another one. Would making him Black change anything about him really? Not sure we’ve had a gay, Black character in the X-men yet. Unless I missed it. Maybe Northstar’s husband, but he’s not a mutant or an X-man.

    I could even make the case for Beast over Jean Grey (and over Warren, whose whiteness and privilege are kind of core to his character and also to his descent into darkness as the Angel of Death/Archangel, which is an important arc for him). But there are issues with making a character who is blue all the time a minority. I get that. However, I could see him as a big, strong Samoan American pretty easily.

    Just my $.02.
    For Cyclops my preferred change (if any) is Tlingit or other Alaskan First Nation - it ties Scott to his home state, non-Inuit northern natives are not highly represented in media (I can't think of ANY representation in visual media off the top of my head), and could be an interesting journey of discovery for the character to take, especially if he is unaware of that part of his heritage due to growing up in the orphanage. He was able to meet his grandparents eventually in the comics, which provides the way in for that possibility.
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    Shitstorm is what happens. Enough with the redhead erasure, go racebend a blonde for a change!

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    Shitstorm is what happens. Enough with the redhead erasure, go racebend a blonde for a change!
    Red hair isn't a race. There are red heads of all races.
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    Completely unnecesary and tone-deaf IMO. They already have Storm as mentioned and if they want to add another black female, there are others like Monet, Oya, Cecilia, etc... Race changing significant characters is a way to have false diversity. Why not try elevating the ones that already exist. As a black person, I would be offended. The actual black characters would benefit from a movie push. Jean Grey doesnt need it and making her black does nothing for actual black characters. She would take away from them

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    Red hair isn't a race. There are red heads of all races.
    And when was the last time a racebent redhead got to keep his/her hair colour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    Red hair isn't a race. There are red heads of all races.
    The complaint would be why is yet another WHITE RED HEAD becoming a black person.

    Go talk to the Wally West fans about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psy-lock View Post
    Shitstorm is what happens. Enough with the redhead erasure, go racebend a blonde for a change!
    ??? How are they erasing redhairs??? You thik they are purposefully recasting redheads in an effort to what? make it seem like redhair people dont exist??

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    I'm not for or against changing Jean but movies are made from scripts not comic books. Those scripts are then developed into whoever is adapting it mind to tell the story based on how they visualize it.

    If you read a character breakdown that reads:

    White haired Daughter of a black American photojournalist and an African princess from Kenya who descends from an ancient line of african priestesses , Ororo (in africa means beautiful) Munroe Controls the weather.

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    Red Headed daughter of a house wife and a Professor in NYC, Jean Grey developed telepathic powers witnessing the death of her closet friend.

    I mean one leaves the imagination open to go a little left. Thats on what was written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackraow21 View Post
    Some people would gripe. Other people would defend it. Everyone would get over it. But if we’re race-bending characters, especially the all-white O5, I think there are better choices. Cyclops and Iceman are the two I would look at for that.

    Scott Summers could easily be Hispanic in my opinion. Corsair (or his mother) could be Hispanic. Or both. Makes sense. Lots of Hispanics in the U.S. Armed Forces, and Corsair was a Major in the Air Force. Wouldn’t change the core of the character in my view to make him Latino or half-Latino.

    Iceman is another one. Would making him Black change anything about him really? Not sure we’ve had a gay, Black character in the X-men yet. Unless I missed it. Maybe Northstar’s husband, but he’s not a mutant or an X-man.

    I could even make the case for Beast over Jean Grey (and over Warren, whose whiteness and privilege are kind of core to his character and also to his descent into darkness as the Angel of Death/Archangel, which is an important arc for him). But there are issues with making a character who is blue all the time a minority. I get that. However, I could see him as a big, strong Samoan American pretty easily.

    Just my $.02.
    I agree with a lot of this. I feel there are ways to add new racial backgrounds for the O5 without making it seem too out of control. I would however be very concerned if the MCU chose to introduce AND make Jean Grey a woman of color before introducing Storm. As others have noted, Storm IS the the premiere black goddess/superhero. Casting a black Jean Grey before Storm would be highly problematic and , in my opinion, would be an attempt at stealing Storm's prominence and giving to Jean for reason. I would also not recommend having Beast be portrayed by a black man for the optics of calling a black man "Beast".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askani's Flame View Post
    I agree with a lot of this. I feel there are ways to add new racial backgrounds for the O5 without making it seem too out of control. I would however be very concerned if the MCU chose to introduce AND make Jean Grey a woman of color before introducing Storm. As others have noted, Storm IS the the premiere black goddess/superhero. Casting a black Jean Grey before Storm would be highly problematic and , in my opinion, would be an attempt at stealing Storm's prominence and giving to Jean for reason. I would also not recommend having Beast be portrayed by a black man for the optics of calling a black man "Beast".
    Agree with all of this. If they want to follow the comics, with the O5 first and then the ANAD team (which I hope they don’t do actually because even if you race-bend a couple of them I find the O5 very boring on their own) then I would change the ethnicity/race of pretty much any of them before Jean for this reason. Except maybe Warren, for reasons given in my previous post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackraow21 View Post
    Agree with all of this. If they want to follow the comics, with the O5 first and then the ANAD team (which I hope they don’t do actually because even if you race-bend a couple of them I find the O5 very boring on their own) then I would change the ethnicity/race of pretty much any of them before Jean for this reason. Except maybe Warren, for reasons given in my previous post.
    Yeah, but again, there's no reason for them to do that. The Avengers started with a team that was never together in the comics.

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    Personally, I don't really care at this point as the MCU is not my cup of tea anyway. It might be a bit of a disservice though to the actual black characters they could be using, portrayals that would then spotlight those characters and make them more popular, or even just creating a new character and letting any possible popularity drive the comics, like Valkyrie (but I guess that might be a bad pattern).

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