Heroes Reborn is coming back

[The Cool Thatguy]

Feels like Aaron has become the new Bendis proxy here at Marvel?

Eh, he's not far off.

Hickman certainly worships Bendis' plot points, but Aaron does match his style.

His villains having a complete lack of depth, his presentation of government politics being very baffling (compare Norman trying to get reappointed to Russia kidnapping She-Hulk) and his villains lacking even a drop of depth.

But more than anything, his ability to get characters wrong is certainly Bendis-heavily. With Bendis, it was Marvel Boy, Hood, etc.

Aaron made Coulson, a guy who's basic character was nice guy bad ass, into a Satan loving, dog kicking ultra nationalist. Echo as phoenix, because why not?

*edit*

Aaron, like Bendis, is good at crime drama, lower level stuff. But the editors and powers that be at Marvel just assume that good at one genre is good at all of them.

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[Agent Z]

Eh, he's not far off.

Hickman certainly worships Bendis' plot points, but Aaron does match his style.

His villains having a complete lack of depth, his presentation of government politics being very baffling (compare Norman trying to get reappointed to Russia kidnapping She-Hulk) and his villains lacking even a drop of depth.

You said "villains lacking depth" twice.

The politics thing is, for good or for ill, is par for the course with superhero comics, sadly.

But more than anything, his ability to get characters wrong is certainly Bendis-heavily. With Bendis, it was Marvel Boy, Hood, etc.

[The Cool Thatguy]

You said "villains lacking depth" twice.

The politics thing is, for good or for ill, is par for the course with superhero comics, sadly.

But more than anything, his ability to get characters wrong is certainly Bendis-heavily. With Bendis, it was Marvel Boy, Hood, etc.

It bears repeating

As for the politics, I don't mind them being included. But execution matters.

With Bendis, he had an arc where Norman tried to blackmail his way back into the government after Dark Reign. Even for comics, the idea that the government would ever allow such a thing, to be forced at gunpoint to allow him back in, breaks disbelief.

It's early in the arc, but it feels the same with She-Hulk being kidnapped and tried by the Russians. The idea that they'd do something so foolish, and expect to get away with it, undermines the credibility of the story.

I may be jumping the gun, to be fair, but it's not as if his work with Coulson was subtle

[Triniking1234]

How did Hickman get dragged into this?

[Huntsman Spider]

It bears repeating

As for the politics, I don't mind them being included. But execution matters.

With Bendis, he had an arc where Norman tried to blackmail his way back into the government after Dark Reign. Even for comics, the idea that the government would ever allow such a thing, to be forced at gunpoint to allow him back in, breaks disbelief.

It's early in the arc, but it feels the same with She-Hulk being kidnapped and tried by the Russians. The idea that they'd do something so foolish, and expect to get away with it, undermines the credibility of the story.

I may be jumping the gun, to be fair, but it's not as if his work with Coulson was subtle

Not the first time that happened, at least with the Russians. Ed Brubaker had an arc in his Bucky-Cap run where the Russians did expose him as the Winter Soldier and had him tried for his past assassinations, and he even ended up in a Russian gulag for a bit. As for Norman Osborn and his post-Dark Reign "comeback," well, considering the utter s***storm that American politics has devolved into over the last 4-5 years, especially over this past year, that's not entirely implausible anymore.

[Thor-Ul]

How did Hickman get dragged into this?

As comparative example.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Not the first time that happened, at least with the Russians. Ed Brubaker had an arc in his Bucky-Cap run where the Russians did expose him as the Winter Soldier and had him tried for his past assassinations, and he even ended up in a Russian gulag for a bit. As for Norman Osborn and his post-Dark Reign "comeback," well, considering the utter s***storm that American politics has devolved into over the last 4-5 years, especially over this past year, that's not entirely implausible anymore.

Yeah, I was thinking about that arc, and how implausible it was.

"Hey, that guy we kidnapped and turned into a weapon? We'd like him back, because he killed some of our people. Mmmkay?"

Brubaker's usually excellent with mixing politics, espionage and superhero stuff, but that one was just way out there

[Huntsman Spider]

Yeah, I was thinking about that arc, and how implausible it was.

"Hey, that guy we kidnapped and turned into a weapon? We'd like him back, because he killed some of our people. Mmmkay?"

Brubaker's usually excellent with mixing politics, espionage and superhero stuff, but that one was just way out there

Yeah, I hear you there, though Norman Osborn trying to blackmail and extort his way back into power after Siege . . . well, again, considering the utter s***storm American politics has devolved into this past year alone, not entirely implausible anymore.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yeah, I hear you there, though Norman Osborn trying to blackmail and extort his way back into power after Siege . . . well, again, considering the utter s***storm American politics has devolved into this past year alone, not entirely implausible anymore.

Now? No

Then, very much so :P

[Kaled]

Quote Originally Posted by The Cool Thatguy
Yeah, I was thinking about that arc, and how implausible it was.

"Hey, that guy we kidnapped and turned into a weapon? We'd like him back, because he killed some of our people. Mmmkay?"

Brubaker's usually excellent with mixing politics, espionage and superhero stuff, but that one was just way out there

No more out there the 24 ending with Jack Bauer declared a traitor at the end of the series and then taken to a Russian prison at the end of the mini-series.

[The Cool Thatguy]

No more out there the 24 ending with Jack Bauer declared a traitor at the end of the series and then taken to a Russian prison at the end of the mini-series.

Far more out there, really.

One assumes that there was evidence, forged or otherwise. Jack wasn't used as an assassin for decades. Jack wasn't a WW2 hero, who was kidnapped and brainwashed. Jack wasn't best friends with an American icon, etc.

The government knew that Bucky was brainwashed, and turned into a legendary assassin, against his will. Why would they return him to the same people who did that in the first place? If nothing else, they'd be concerned that Russia would do it again!

[Digifiend]

That’s not the point I’m making. All the characters you mention above didn’t appear from 1961 onwards. The Silver Age characters appeared, who were completely unheard of, who didn’t have parents, ( or not until much later did they show up - Mr Storm). That is the facinating thing that happened in Marvel Comics. The reintroduction of Golden and Atlas characters was an afterthought. Cap on ice had never been mentioned before, nor was vagrant Namor, or Vision made of an Android. These were all Silver Age inventions.

Cap's was an outright retcon (they later had to explain that all Commie Smasher appearances of Cap in the late 40s and 50s were not Steve, but replacements pretending to be him) and Namor's was just a way to explain his absence in the 50s.