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    Default Is there only one Beyonder (even after retcon) or several?

    The original Beyonder that visited the 616 Universe during Secret Wars was one singular beeing. Even after the retcon it was implied to be one single beeing. Yet throughout the Marvel Multiverse, we see the Beyonder visiting several alternate Universes and then we have the Beyonder in the TV show Avengers Assemble or Spiderman. These seem to be different from the Beyonder that visited Eart 616. However since the Beyonder is from the Beyonder Realm which is outside of the Multiverse, there should not be several versions of him. So how can this be explained?

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    the multiple retcons have gotten annoying over the years. the one where he was an immature cosmic cube was truly nutty. But whatever-- it's comics, Jake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypestyle View Post
    the multiple retcons have gotten annoying over the years. the one where he was an immature cosmic cube was truly nutty. But whatever-- it's comics, Jake.
    In Englehart's FF story he also made the connection with the Molecule Man and the Beyonder. But in an FF annual a few years later Owen broke away from it and escaped back to Earth.

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    I'd like to know that myself. We did see a host of Beyonders that were engineering all the incursions in Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers arc leading up to Secret Wars 2015. They were shown to be quite alien looking in New Avengers #29 as compared to the Beyonder in Secret Wars II.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
    I'd like to know that myself. We did see a host of Beyonders that were engineering all the incursions in Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers arc leading up to Secret Wars 2015. They were shown to be quite alien looking in New Avengers #29 as compared to the Beyonder in Secret Wars II.
    The Beyonders are an entire race that resided in the Beyonder Realm. There are anywhere from hundreds to quadrillions of them. So these are individual beeings and it does make sense that individual Beyonder A is "visiting" Earth 24 000 while individual Beyonder B is "visiting" Earth 17.

    The Original pre Retcon Beyonder/as well as cosmic cube Beyonder however is one single entity. He comes from the Beyonder Realm which isnt part of the marvel Multiverse, so there are no other version of him.Yet whe see him visiting Earth 616 during secret wars, then there is the Beyonder from Spiderman, Avengers Assemble and other Marvel Universes all of which seem to be other version of the original/cosmic cube Beyonder. However because the Beyonder Realm lacks a Multiverse, there should be no other version of him. So who are these other versions of pre retcon/cosmic cube Beyonder?

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    Funny thing about the multiverse. In the most simplest terms it is based on the concept that a single event can have multiple outcomes. I get that beings outside of the multiverse should not be impacted. But think of the multiverse as a pool of water. As long as you stay outside of it, you remain dry. But dare step even so much as a toe in it? The minute the Beyonder entered the multiverse, at least two possibilities -- two realities -- formed, both valid. The first reality is that the Beyonder entered the multiverse to explore. The second reality is that he did not enter the multiverse at all. And just like that you have at least two Beyonders. The one that did, and the one that didn't. The only way you can only have one Beyonder is if he never looked into the pinhole to spy the multiverse and thus remained forever outside of the multiverse as a single, unique entity.

    All that said, who knows how Marvel will spin it. They could go against the logic and establish that there is only the Beyonder that manifests across all facets of reality as one entity whose actions and consequences are very much linear. They could say the various Beyonders are all somehow quantum entangled so as to appear to be different versions, but in actuality they are one and the same being. They could say it's the same Beyonder, albeit diffracted by Time/Space so as to appear to be different versions. Marvel tends to maximize possibilities, rather than limit stories to an immutable set of rules and/or logic. You just have to go with the flow, or you'll go mad with all of the contradictions and nonsensical departures from what is supposed to represent semi-credible fiction.

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    I remember him being an Inhuman mutant who was kicked out of the society for being too powerful and childish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant God View Post
    I remember him being an Inhuman mutant who was kicked out of the society for being too powerful and childish
    I believe the general rule is to ignore anything Bendis that makes no sense and flies in the face of both continuity and common sense.

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