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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    I know Wilson has to waive his no-trade clause in order to go anywhere.

    It was a joke ...

    In terms of value, trading Watson now garners more than later.

    Let's say he sits out the WHOLE season.

    Do you really think anybody is going to want to surrender a #1 or even a single #2 pick for somebody that just sat out the season?

    Strike while the iron's hot, trade him now.
    Reports this afternoon on ESPN that the Texans are refusing to even listen to offers for Watson and that Watson is willing to give up millions to not play for them again, so I don't see a trade happening before the draft or even this off-season. Pride and financial bottom line are more important to Texans' ownership than improving their team, so they won't take the financial hit in dead money to deal him and won't back down from their position to "give in" to Watson even if it means losing an opportunity to get value in return for Watson. It's sad, and it's a pitiful statement about that franchise and it's ownership, but they make Jerry Jones look humble by comparison, so I can't see them backing down.

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    Whelp, they traded JJ Watt and he had been about 90 percent of the source of the vocal complaints in Houston. I'm thinking the team ownership feels that Watson is not going to speak out during his self-imposed exile to come, and so they can afford to eat the dead money for the sake of pride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRP View Post
    Reports this afternoon on ESPN that the Texans are refusing to even listen to offers for Watson and that Watson is willing to give up millions to not play for them again, so I don't see a trade happening before the draft or even this off-season. Pride and financial bottom line are more important to Texans' ownership than improving their team, so they won't take the financial hit in dead money to deal him and won't back down from their position to "give in" to Watson even if it means losing an opportunity to get value in return for Watson. It's sad, and it's a pitiful statement about that franchise and it's ownership, but they make Jerry Jones look humble by comparison, so I can't see them backing down.

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    I thought Watts was a Free Agent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I thought Watts was a Free Agent?
    He is. He was released by Houston. He is listed as an UFA.
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    I have no idea why the Texans owner made these promises to Watson and then each time comically would break it each time. Believing he was teaching that kid a lesson or some nonsense. I mean....its your franchise QB and your basically telling him one thing and then doing something else....repeatedly. I'd say the last straw was the not giving Eric Beinemy an interview which pissed Watson off (the hot belief is Watson really wanted Beinemy and wants to run that Mahomes type offense) . This after the owner said they'd include Watson in discussions of a coach.

    I'd keep an eye on the 49ers here. Easterby and Caserio have New England ties. And a lot of ex-New England people try and use the same players at QB. In KC Scott Pioli traded for Matt Cassel. Early in his Texans coaching run Bill O'Brien had 2 former Patriots at QB in Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer. This is just 2 examples as I'm sure there is a couple more out there.

    I'd expect them to approach the 49ers to do a trade on QB's and draft picks. Caserio gets a QB he knows about etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    I have no idea why the Texans owner made these promises to Watson and then each time comically would break it each time. Believing he was teaching that kid a lesson or some nonsense. I mean....its your franchise QB and your basically telling him one thing and then doing something else....repeatedly. I'd say the last straw was the not giving Eric Beinemy an interview which pissed Watson off (the hot belief is Watson really wanted Beinemy and wants to run that Mahomes type offense) . This after the owner said they'd include Watson in discussions of a coach.

    I'd keep an eye on the 49ers here. Easterby and Caserio have New England ties. And a lot of ex-New England people try and use the same players at QB. In KC Scott Pioli traded for Matt Cassel. Early in his Texans coaching run Bill O'Brien had 2 former Patriots at QB in Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer. This is just 2 examples as I'm sure there is a couple more out there.

    I'd expect them to approach the 49ers to do a trade on QB's and draft picks. Caserio gets a QB he knows about etc.
    While this seems like a big possibility...

    Houston fans will have to deal with them trading an elite talent who can put up MVP numbers for a guy who's missed 50% of his starts in San Francisco and wasn't trusted to throw the ball in the NFC Championship Game or Super Bowl the year he went.

    I'm sure after the DeAndre Hopkins trade last season, that one will go over like a fart in church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    While this seems like a big possibility...

    Houston fans will have to deal with them trading an elite talent who can put up MVP numbers for a guy who's missed 50% of his starts in San Francisco and wasn't trusted to throw the ball in the NFC Championship Game or Super Bowl the year he went.

    I'm sure after the DeAndre Hopkins trade last season, that one will go over like a fart in church.
    In that Super Bowl loss down the final minutes they tried putting the game in Jimmy's hand. It just didn't work. But I wouldn't be shocked if we see them finally do this to get something for Watson.
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    In NFL News , the Pittsburgh Steelers Art Rooney has said the timeline to get Ben Rothlisberger's contract worked out is March 17th. That they have to get the deal done by then. His cap hit right now for 2021 is $41+ million and the Steelers to get him back need to cut that. Rothlisberger will turn 39 next season and its likely they will try and extend him and rework his deal to a 2 year $20+ million a season deal to get it to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    I have no idea why the Texans owner made these promises to Watson and then each time comically would break it each time. Believing he was teaching that kid a lesson or some nonsense. I mean....its your franchise QB and your basically telling him one thing and then doing something else....repeatedly. I'd say the last straw was the not giving Eric Beinemy an interview which pissed Watson off (the hot belief is Watson really wanted Beinemy and wants to run that Mahomes type offense) . This after the owner said they'd include Watson in discussions of a coach.

    I'd keep an eye on the 49ers here. Easterby and Caserio have New England ties. And a lot of ex-New England people try and use the same players at QB. In KC Scott Pioli traded for Matt Cassel. Early in his Texans coaching run Bill O'Brien had 2 former Patriots at QB in Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer. This is just 2 examples as I'm sure there is a couple more out there.

    I'd expect them to approach the 49ers to do a trade on QB's and draft picks. Caserio gets a QB he knows about etc.
    From what I've read and heard, it sounds like Easterby is the villain of the piece, going from team chaplain to head of football operations, having conned owner Cal McNair into gaining all that power. The notion of him and Caserio swinging a trade for Jimmy Grabass (can't spell his real name) doesn't shock me in the slightest. But to trade for a passer who's had injury issues the last couple of years and appears (right or wrong) to be brittle makes zero sense. But then, how McNair and Easterby have destroyed the Texans has been mystifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    From what I've read and heard, it sounds like Easterby is the villain of the piece, going from team chaplain to head of football operations, having conned owner Cal McNair into gaining all that power. The notion of him and Caserio swinging a trade for Jimmy Grabass (can't spell his real name) doesn't shock me in the slightest. But to trade for a passer who's had injury issues the last couple of years and appears (right or wrong) to be brittle makes zero sense. But then, how McNair and Easterby have destroyed the Texans has been mystifying.
    Why would Janice or Cal McNair know anything about running a football team. Sounds like they got taken in by a religious huckster with Easterby. This is the downside of the NFL's shared revenue. Complete failures by ownership easily survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I thought Watts was a Free Agent?
    Yes I jumped the gun on that one. However... now its ...

    JJ Watt to Cards! Multiple reports have the deal for potentially $31 million, with $23 million guaranteed.

    https://www.azcardinals.com/news/wat...with-cardinals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    Yes I jumped the gun on that one. However... now its ...

    JJ Watt to Cards! Multiple reports have the deal for potentially $31 million, with $23 million guaranteed.

    https://www.azcardinals.com/news/wat...with-cardinals

    Well, good luck.
    Holy s***. There was ZERO talk about this on my drive home. Nobody in AZ sportstalk thought this was coming, more than minor speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    Holy s***. There was ZERO talk about this on my drive home. Nobody in AZ sportstalk thought this was coming, more than minor speculation.
    I don't think ANYONE saw that coming. Talk about a surprise!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRP View Post
    Reports this afternoon on ESPN that the Texans are refusing to even listen to offers for Watson and that Watson is willing to give up millions to not play for them again, so I don't see a trade happening before the draft or even this off-season.

    Pride and financial bottom line are more important to Texans' ownership than improving their team, so they won't take the financial hit in dead money to deal him and won't back down from their position to "give in" to Watson even if it means losing an opportunity to get value in return for Watson. It's sad, and it's a pitiful statement about that franchise and it's ownership, but they make Jerry Jones look humble by comparison, so I can't see them backing down.

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    This is all Deshaun's fault. His agent, whomever he is, presumably has other clients and advises them accordingly. Watson knew O'Brien was a clown with no rep, he was there during the rise of Easterby, he watched them let my man go to Arizona for chump change, he watched them dump Clowney before that and that wasn't all the signs. Throughout all this he signed that extension, they have him now. If Houston really wants to stand their ground they can make him retire rather than let him go. The ONLY leverage I see Watson even has, is that that they, still need to find a QB. Of course, that they will do, even if all he can do is throw backwards (there will always be a place for a Nathan Peterman in the NFL). Only way he even sniffs a look at another team is if they can maybe get a QB more in line organizationally. If another Teebow falls into their laps is the only way I see them blinking. This thing could take him out of the league legitimately if Houston stands firm.
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