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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Well, one can point out Wildcat wasn't a regular member during World War II, but that doesn't explain why Black Canary is there.
    Or why it's "Wonder Woman and Barry, Plus Some Other, Lesser Characters", since WW wasn't quite that important to the JSA. I would just look at this as a sort of Elseworlds story rather than a serious JSA story.

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    Yeah, wasn't she just the secretary and not an active participant in battle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Well, one can point out Wildcat wasn't a regular member during World War II, but that doesn't explain why Black Canary is there.
    It's probably Dinah Drake, the first Black Canary and mother of the current one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Yeah, wasn't she just the secretary and not an active participant in battle?
    She was an active participant(IE she had her own individual chapter) in All-Star #11 and #13. Her placement as secretary was due to the rule that once a character had their own solo book they were suppose to be removed from active membership. Diana had won a readers poll to decide which Sensation Comics character would be added to the the team, but was popular enough she also got her own title very quickly. Making her secretary was a compromise to keep her as a presence in the book. Also, once the book abandoned the individual chapter format she was no different than any other member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnrevenge View Post
    It's probably Dinah Drake, the first Black Canary and mother of the current one.
    Still doesn't change the fact that Black Canary wasn't created/didn't make her debut until 1947, two years after WWII ended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timber Wolf-By-Night View Post
    Still doesn't change the fact that Black Canary wasn't created/didn't make her debut until 1947, two years after WWII ended.
    And? She was still a member of the JSA. Maybe not one during WWII, but still was a member. And it's an animated film, so they can take some liberties.

    Look for example the JL Dark movie. Etrigan wasn't a member in the comics, but in the movie he was one.

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    There's an animated Justice Society movie out with the members in their heyday. It looks incredibly exciting and something to get the team out there. As a big JSA fan, my first reaction is

    A) Be enthusiastic and interested
    B) Nitpick about details.

    Really, consider both options before you post.

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    The roster is a pretty big detail. Fans want to see the characters they're fans of. Black Canary is anachronistic, and doesn't have the same time travel excuse as Barry Allen (also, this Canary has a Canary Cry, something that should be exclusive to her daughter Dinah Lance). And Green Lantern's omission is just plain odd. Has the JSA ever not had Alan on the team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    The roster is a pretty big detail. Fans want to see the characters they're fans of. Black Canary is anachronistic, and doesn't have the same time travel excuse as Barry Allen (also, this Canary has a Canary Cry, something that should be exclusive to her daughter Dinah Lance). And Green Lantern's omission is just plain odd. Has the JSA ever not had Alan on the team?
    You're probably unaware of this, but animated movies aren't set in the same universe as the original comics. Like with live action movies and TV shows, sometimes the characters differ. If you need any more help with superhero comic book basics, please feel free to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptCleghorn View Post
    You're probably unaware of this, but animated movies aren't set in the same universe as the original comics. Like with live action movies and TV shows, sometimes the characters differ. If you need any more help with superhero comic book basics, please feel free to ask.
    I would normally agree with you on the idea that TV shows / movies aren't part of the comic book stories, so they can be different, but unfortunately comic books / DC has evolved to the point that many of the changes made for the TV shows / movies seem to then take the place in the comic book stoies of how those comic book stories had previously been. (The Supergirl comic book under Rebirth felt that way to me, and the idea that DC now seems to be making Diana-as-Wonder Woman have an active past in "Man's World" dating back to (at least) WWII in the comic book stories also seems to be kowtowing to the movies instead of what had been the comic book stories.)

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    Black Canary is probably there so they can have another woman on the team (and not Ma Hunkel) and there might be a reason they didn't use Hawkgirl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Black Canary is probably there so they can have another woman on the team (and not Ma Hunkel) and there might be a reason they didn't use Hawkgirl.
    I would have prefered Liberty Belle over Black Canary to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    I would normally agree with you on the idea that TV shows / movies aren't part of the comic book stories, so they can be different, but unfortunately comic books / DC has evolved to the point that many of the changes made for the TV shows / movies seem to then take the place in the comic book stoies of how those comic book stories had previously been. (The Supergirl comic book under Rebirth felt that way to me, and the idea that DC now seems to be making Diana-as-Wonder Woman have an active past in "Man's World" dating back to (at least) WWII in the comic book stories also seems to be kowtowing to the movies instead of what had been the comic book stories.)
    Diana debuting in WWII is how she originally debuted in the golden age - the movie has her origin in World War I, to avoiding copying Captain America: The First Avenger, which, of course also like it's source material, was set in World War II. So that wasn't synergy, the comics were just reverting to her original origins. Supergirl Rebirth matching the TV show by having her intern for Cat Grant was synergy though, despite the fact she was also seen in school instead of being aged up like she really ought to be (she's been around longer than any of the Titans except Dick and Roy, so she ought to be their age - which would've matched the show, where she starts out at 25).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Diana debuting in WWII is how she originally debuted in the golden age - the movie has her origin in World War I, to avoiding copying Captain America: The First Avenger, which, of course also like it's source material, was set in World War II. So that wasn't synergy, the comics were just reverting to her original origins. Supergirl Rebirth matching the TV show by having her intern for Cat Grant was synergy though, despite the fact she was also seen in school instead of being aged up like she really ought to be (she's been around longer than any of the Titans except Dick and Roy, so she ought to be their age - which would've matched the show, where she starts out at 25).
    Which sounds odd when you remember WW's third act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    So, Step 1: KEEP BENDIS AWAY FROM THE JSA
    OH, God, yes, please, keep him the hell away from them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Timber Wolf-By-Night View Post
    Still doesn't change the fact that Black Canary wasn't created/didn't make her debut until 1947, two years after WWII ended.
    If they wanted a second female, I'd have prefered Hawkgirl.

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