Krakoa Quiet Council vs Justice League Villains

[Sophicles]

Apocalypse
Mr. Sinister
Exodus
Xavier
Magneto
Jean Grey
Nightcrawler
Storm
Emma Frost
Sebastian Shaw
Mystique

vs

Despero
Gorilla Grodd
Hector Hammond
Maxwell Lord w/ a gallon of blood hooked up to his veins
Dr. Polaris
Milton Fine Brainiac
Deathstroke
Killer Frost
Ultra-Humanite
Kalibak
Cheshire

1. Which team wins?
2. Who wins in these one-on-one fights:
Despero vs Apocalypse
Gorilla Grodd vs Mr. Sinister
Hector Hammond vs Exodus
Maxwell Lord w/ blood transfusions vs Xavier
Dr. Polaris vs Magneto
Milton Fine Brainiac vs Jean Grey
Deathstroke vs Nightcrawler
Killer Frost vs Storm
Ultra-Humanite vs Emma Frost
Kalibak vs Sebastian Shaw
Cheshire vs Mystique

[big_adventure]

What power level is Jean running around with these days? Because there are versions of her that trivially solo, and then... other versions.

Outside of that... I'd give a slight edge to team X: Magneto is stupidly good at multitasking, so is Storm, and the telepaths are pretty close to a wash. Nightcrawler is going to be invaluable at killing human durability targets who are locked in TP combat.

For the individual fights:

Despero over Poccy. It might take a while, because Poccy is really hard to beat down physically, but Despero should be able to handle that, or, he'll eventually get past Poccy's psi defenses. Either way, he wins.

Grodd eventually loses to Sinister, who's just better in every way.

Exodus crushes Hammond.

Fully juiced Lord over Chaz - Lord can, you know, walk, can't he?

Mags over Polaris - he's just more creative and better at multi-tasking. He's also got slightly better reaction time with his powers IMO.

Jean and Brainiac - see line one. If this is a high-end Jean, Brainiac is way out of his element. If not, the tables turn.

Deathstroke versus Nightcrawler: Kurt should be able to win regardless if he has any equipment at all - teleport behind with a stick through the dude's head would do it. But, Deathstroke has had a lot of impressive equipment over time, and some of that might mitigate. I don't know.

Frost versus Storm is a quickdraw.

I'm not versed enough on Ultra-Humanite - as I recall, he's a scientist who uses a monkey body and can transfer his brain around? That's useful with prep, but not so awesome here, and I think Frost should just be able to mind-whammy him, right?

Kalibak should be able to overload Shaw, I'm thinking.

Cheshire v. Mystique: Mystique carries guns, usually, which should let her kill Cheshire, who wonders why the hell she doesn't carry ranged weapons as standard equipment.

[Beadle]

What power level is Jean running around with these days? Because there are versions of her that trivially solo, and then... other versions.

She doesn’t have a Phoenix, I believe, if that clarifies things.

Outside of that... I'd give a slight edge to team X: Magneto is stupidly good at multitasking, so is Storm, and the telepaths are pretty close to a wash. Nightcrawler is going to be invaluable at killing human durability targets who are locked in TP combat.

Too many unknowns for me, but a casual side-swipe of Kurt’s brain probably isn’t going to significantly adversely affect the DC psychics. It’s like swatting a fly while driving.

Despero over Poccy. It might take a while, because Poccy is really hard to beat down physically, but Despero should be able to handle that, or, he'll eventually get past Poccy's psi defenses. Either way, he wins.

Agreed.

Grodd eventually loses to Sinister, who's just better in every way.

Does Grodd still have any speed-force? If not, I tend to agree.

Exodus crushes Hammond.

Don’t know enough about Hammond, but Exodus is pretty up there.

Fully juiced Lord over Chaz - Lord can, you know, walk, can't he?

I still get the feeling Max will eventually die of nasal blood loss.

Mags over Polaris - he's just more creative and better at multi-tasking. He's also got slightly better reaction time with his powers IMO.

Definitely Mags. No question for me.

Jean and Brainiac - see line one. If this is a high-end Jean, Brainiac is way out of his element. If not, the tables turn.

I think this is regular flavoured Jean (none of that Galactus-smacking nonsense). So I think Brainy takes it.

Deathstroke versus Nightcrawler: Kurt should be able to win regardless if he has any equipment at all - teleport behind with a stick through the dude's head would do it. But, Deathstroke has had a lot of impressive equipment over time, and some of that might mitigate. I don't know.

If he could react quick enough, Kurt could bamf his head off. But Slade’s reactions are such that Kurt would probably get shot in the head first.

Frost versus Storm is a quickdraw.

Yeah, flip a coin.

I'm not versed enough on Ultra-Humanite - as I recall, he's a scientist who uses a monkey body and can transfer his brain around? That's useful with prep, but not so awesome here, and I think Frost should just be able to mind-whammy him, right?

Agreed.

Kalibak should be able to overload Shaw, I'm thinking.

Agreed.

Cheshire v. Mystique: Mystique carries guns, usually, which should let her kill Cheshire, who wonders why the hell she doesn't carry ranged weapons as standard equipment.

Plus Mystique can grow wings and fly out of scratchy-stabby range. That helps.

[Beadle]

Had to fix the autocorrect.

Geoff the Gorilla is not a character I’m familiar with.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Had to fix the autocorrect.

Geoff the Gorilla is not a character I’m familiar with.

Didn't he write for Green Langur Howler Jordan?

[master of read]

just for clarification, charles can walk. and his feat of fucking up reed's mind during xmen vs. FF was pretty impressive.

[big_adventure]

When I mentioned Nightcrawler in the team matchup, that's assuming that the psis basically stalemate themselves on telepathy, leaving the match down to other abilities. I'm not SURE of it, but, you know...

For Slade v. Kurt, you may be right. I don't lean too hard in either direction, really. In the group fight it just doesn't matter - only Cheshire and Mystique are arguably less useful here. If Despero and Sinister and Exodus can't solve for X, call Matt Damon, because X just isn't getting solved.

[big_adventure]

just for clarification, charles can walk. and his feat of fucking up reed's mind during xmen vs. FF was pretty impressive.

Ah, well, I'd lean Chaz then. I was kind of operating on the idea that they were close, but that Chaz was relatively immobile. He's even a decent fighter when he has legs, if he can stalemate his foe mentally, he'll kick his ass physically.

[master of read]

Ah, well, I'd lean Chaz then. I was kind of operating on the idea that they were close, but that Chaz was relatively immobile. He's even a decent fighter when he has legs, if he can stalemate his foe mentally, he'll kick his ass physically.

yeah, chuck's been moblie for years. i wanna say since before AVX. plus, he's got a portable cerebro on his head as standard gear now. and given how he was able to just casually mindfuck reed without any kind of hinting that he did anything before he said so, i'd say chuck can do some damage to maxy boy.

what's his feats like, these days?

[big_adventure]

yeah, chuck's been moblie for years. i wanna say since before AVX. plus, he's got a portable cerebro on his head as standard gear now. and given how he was able to just casually mindfuck reed without any kind of hinting that he did anything before he said so, i'd say chuck can do some damage to maxy boy.

what's his feats like, these days?

All I could think reading that was "huh, and mutants wonder why normies don't necessarily trust them?"

I kid, of course.

[master of read]

All I could think reading that was "huh, and mutants wonder why normies don't necessarily trust them?"

I kid, of course.

well reed fucked up and chuck and mags put him in his place for it.

[Hiromi]

So they actually let Charles keep his working legs post house of M? Or did he inevitably lose it and inevitably gain it back yet again?

[Cyke]

So they actually let Charles keep his working legs post house of M? Or did he inevitably lose it and inevitably gain it back yet again?

Huh, I didn't think to, um, think that far back, but yeah, I don't think he's been confined to a wheelchair for around the past 15 years. That's a big chunk of his history.

This current Charles is in a freshly-made body thanks to the Five. Prior to his current body, Fantomex donated his body to Charles, who in turn used Fantomex's body to help build a younger Charles to inhabit (I admit, I stopped reading around this time because of how that sounds, and came back for HoX).

[master of read]

So they actually let Charles keep his working legs post house of M? Or did he inevitably lose it and inevitably gain it back yet again?

he was still walking when cyke killed him in AVX.

[big_adventure]

Yeah, that all tracks. I think I somehow always place Chuck in a chair - it was so central to his character for so long.