Falcon and The Winter Soldier

[Frontier]

Minor disagreement.

Marvel villains die because their evil has to be answered in turn. Hela, Ultron et all loved to kick themselves some puppies. They had to get crotch kicked by karma.

Doing the same to Loki and Zemo, who were sympathetic, would seem like overkill. Zemo had lost his family, while Loki returns home in disgrace. Death isn't the same punishment for them that it is for others.

I mean, sympathetic to a point. I feel like their likeability and motivations kind of downplay how terrible the stuff they do is.

[ZeroBG82]

Minor disagreement.

Marvel villains die because their evil has to be answered in turn. Hela, Ultron et all loved to kick themselves some puppies. They had to get crotch kicked by karma.

Doing the same to Loki and Zemo, who were sympathetic, would seem like overkill. Zemo had lost his family, while Loki returns home in disgrace. Death isn't the same punishment for them that it is for others.

More, I would argue that Zemo surviving Civil War was the HARSHER punishment available, and is part of why T'Challa spares him. Zemo wanted to die, to be reunited with his family. Denying him that hits so much harder than just killing him off, and dovetails nicely with T'Challa's choice to break the cycle of vengeance and violence that are one theme of the film.

[CosmiComic]

I mean, sympathetic to a point. I feel like their likeability and motivations kind of downplay how terrible the stuff they do is.

Just look at Loki

[The Cool Thatguy]

Well, it stems from them supposedly not caring about his family. Although they've saved the world several times over, so his attitude seems baseless to me

It fairness, his family died in a situation the Avengers instigated. Even after all the harm Ultron did, they were still regarded as heroes

[CosmiComic]

It fairness, his family died in a situation the Avengers instigated. Even after all the harm Ultron did, they were still regarded as heroes

It's true, the Avengers were responsible, at least Tony and Bruce were, although I thought the Mind Stone created Ultron. But Zemo's focus seems myopic, possibly due to his family dying

[The Cool Thatguy]

It's true, the Avengers were responsible, at least Tony and Bruce were, although I thought the Mind Stone created Ultron. But Zemo's focus seems myopic, possibly due to his family dying

Ultron was likely a plant inside the mind stone. But the Avengers' carelessness did allow him out.

Really wish they would establish what the public knows about that incident, lol

[Frontier]

Ultron was likely a plant inside the mind stone. But the Avengers' carelessness did allow him out.

Really wish they would establish what the public knows about that incident, lol

What people know about movie events seems predicated on what the plot needs them to know. Like how everyone in WandaVision apparently watched Avengers Endgame.

[green_garnish]

Ultron was likely a plant inside the mind stone.

I've read this several times and I can't figure out what it means. Can you elaborate for a dumbass like me?

[CosmiComic]

Ultron was likely a plant inside the mind stone. But the Avengers' carelessness did allow him out.

Really wish they would establish what the public knows about that incident, lol

Yeah, the Avengers were careless, despite saving everyone in AoU, then civil war tried to deal with that, then somehow that was bad or something

[CosmiComic]

What people know about movie events seems predicated on what the plot needs them to know. Like how everyone in WandaVision apparently watched Avengers Endgame.

Everyone knowing what happened isn't surprising, why would the Avengers cover it up?

[The Cool Thatguy]

I've read this several times and I can't figure out what it means. Can you elaborate for a dumbass like me?

Ultron was put in the mind stone by Thanos, most likely. They shared the same goals, after all

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yeah, the Avengers were careless, despite saving everyone in AoU, then civil war tried to deal with that, then somehow that was bad or something

They didn't save everyone, though. Zemo's family, for one thing, and that state department kid, whoever was around him, etc.

The Avengers did the best they could, mind. But they did provoke the situation and remained as celebs after. Zemo's pain is easy to understand.

[green_garnish]

Ultron was put in the mind stone by Thanos, most likely. They shared the same goals, after all

Aside from the 50% thing I guess. I like Wanda's explanation of Ultron's motivations better.

[CosmiComic]

They didn't save everyone, though. Zemo's family, for one thing, and that state department kid, whoever was around him, etc.

The Avengers did the best they could, mind. But they did provoke the situation and remained as celebs after. Zemo's pain is easy to understand.

I understand Zemo's pain. I was jusr making a jab at AoU for supposedly making a jab at MoS

But anyway, Zemo's pain makes sense, but because he's the bad guy, nothing really changes

[CosmiComic]

Aside from the 50% thing I guess. I like Wanda's explanation of Ultron's motivations better.

What explanation? AoU barely explained anything about Ultron's motivations