Falcon and The Winter Soldier

[Frontier]

And I'm pretty sure Rhodey could take out a supersoldier. Even Wasp probably could

I guess if she got into their ear, maybe.

[Username taken]

That's why I don't see Zemo wanting any of them to survive.

How many of them can we actually count on, though?

I guess if Tony was able to hold his own against Cap and Bucky, Rhodey could probably take down a Super Soldier or two.

Rhodey’s weaponry seems to be far more lethal than Tony’s. Not mention that Tony wasn’t trying to kill Captain America and completely vaporized Bucky’s arm, I’m sure Rhodey could take down majority of them.

[CosmiComic]

I guess if she got into their ear, maybe.

She could blast one of them in the eye, then knock them down. plus shrinking and flying lets her dodge attacks

[The Cool Thatguy]

Rhodey’s weaponry seems to be far more lethal than Tony’s. Not mention that Tony wasn’t trying to kill Captain America and completely vaporized Bucky’s arm, I’m sure Rhodey could take down majority of them.

Cap only won because he was swinging an indestructible shield in a confined space. Without that , I doubt the Flag Smashers could do much to him

[CosmiComic]

Rhodey could obliterate a Flag Smasher. I don't think he eould or should, but he could

[AnakinFlair]

And I'm pretty sure Rhodey could take out a supersoldier. Even Wasp probably could

Super Soldiers aren't bulletproof. They've already shown that with enough bullets, one can be put down for good. Hell, even Steve was nearly killed by Bucky in The Winter Soldier. So yeah, Rhodey could definitely take them out. Wasp would probably have a harder time of it, though.

[CosmiComic]

Super Soldiers aren't bulletproof. They've already shown that with enough bullets, one can be put down for good. Hell, even Steve was nearly killed by Bucky in The Winter Soldier. So yeah, Rhodey could definitely take them out. Wasp would probably have a harder time of it, though.

I don't think she'd do it as easily, but with shrinking, flying and electricity, I think she'd stand a good chance against one of them

[Scott Taylor]

The MCU has tended to make their Super Soldiers a little more super than is often depicted in the comics. Especially in their durability, taking fall damage, taking bullets, etc. Originally the serum was only supposed to make a person be the height of physical perfection, wasn't supposed to give them super powers.

[Nate Grey]

Plus never tiring doing strenuous activities, namely fighting. A Google search moves that from "never" to "up to 12 hours" which is still a long time and something a regular human who achieved peak physical perfection without the serum (Walker) can't do.

[Frontier]

Plus never tiring doing strenuous activities, namely fighting. A Google search moves that from "never" to "up to 12 hours" which is still a long time and something a regular human who achieved peak physical perfection without the serum (Walker) can't do.

Yeah, you saw a pretty stark change from Walker fighting the Flag-Smashers without the serum to when he was fighting them after taking it.

[Nate Grey]

Yeah, you saw a pretty stark change from Walker fighting the Flag-Smashers without the serum to when he was fighting them after taking it.

Yep. Not to be funny, but those who think its just a shortcut to peak physical perfection could miss that. Its not JUST that its the not tiring early plus hand eye coordination. Also, Blonsky's version (pre Banner blood) gave him something of a healing factor but I think the "normal" serum/variants at the very least cuts recovery time squarely in half.

Its kind of insane and scary to think what a super soldier can do. People keep referencing Civil War, I'm thinking of Avengers ONE where when Stark and Rogers were arguing (thanks to the scepter), Steve kept telling Tony to put on the suit to make it somewhat of a fair fight. Karli and her crew are untrained, imagine if Nagel's formula wound up with a paramilitary group instead. Karli et al being untrained is the only thing remotely close to making it a fair fight vs a slaughter.

[Lou_Kayge]

Yep. Not to be funny, but those who think its just a shortcut to peak physical perfection could miss that. Its not JUST that its the not tiring early plus hand eye coordination. Also, Blonsky's version (pre Banner blood) gave him something of a healing factor but I think the "normal" serum/variants at the very least cuts recovery time squarely in half.

Its kind of insane and scary to think what a super soldier can do. People keep referencing Civil War, I'm thinking of Avengers ONE where when Stark and Rogers were arguing (thanks to the scepter), Steve kept telling Tony to put on the suit to make it somewhat of a fair fight. Karli and her crew are untrained, imagine if Nagel's formula wound up with a paramilitary group instead. Karli et al being untrained is the only thing remotely close to making it a fair fight vs a slaughter.

Funny. In the comics, most of the Power Broker's experimentee's-USAgent ,Battlestar, D-Man, are in the 10-15 ton range and didn't get their powers from the sss. Stronger than the comics Cap. not sure where MCU Cap is.

[Nate Grey]

Funny. In the comics, most of the Power Broker's experimentee's-USAgent ,Battlestar, D-Man, are in the 10-15 ton range and didn't get their powers from the sss. Stronger than the comics Cap. not sure where MCU Cap is.

At least a 1-ton-er, maybe 2. If he's able to curl a helicopter and prevent it from taking off. 10-15 range is Spider-Man range, it would be even scarier to imagine a ss with that kind of strength and damage soak to match.

[godisawesome]

Yeah, you saw a pretty stark change from Walker fighting the Flag-Smashers without the serum to when he was fighting them after taking it.

One thing I think last episode established pretty well was that when our costumed heroes/associates know they’re facing super soldiers, they show considerably greater success bringing their training to bear in combat, including Walker once he gets the serum himself. Sam especially shows considerable skill in using his tech and skills to go toe-to-toe successfully, though we also see Bucky and Walker generally prove superior one-on-one.

One thing I’m curious about with Walker, though, is how much he was set up as a propaganda piece or seen as an actual operative - a pistol isn’t exactly likely to be the kind of weaponry he most excels at, and while he was capable fo doing some shield stuff without the serum, he still seems under equipped for anything beyond what amounts to police work.

Was Walker meant to be the GRC’s idea of how to do a propaganda piece? Or did someone in the GRC really think “Just give a great soldier a shield!”

[Nate Grey]

Is it possible Walker was simply meant to be a symbol to help with despair post-blip, but he took it too seriously? As in, minus the SS he was never meant to really replace Steve but somehow he's the only one that wasn't in on that fact? Or at least deluded himself to think he could prove folks wrong, that he could be as good as Steve or even better.