Greatest Star Trek Villain: Khan or The Borg

[Castle]

I prefer the Borg over Khan. Also Khan was pretty ruined in Into Darkness. there was something cynical, life damaging, and extremely dangerous about the Borg that made me more scared of them than Khan.

[kingaliencracker]

My problem with assigning the Borg as greatest villain is that they're not terribly complex. Sure, they're far more of a threat than a singular person but I think their concept is pretty basic.

Not to mention that Borg drones are unwilling participants in their species' conquests. I could maybe buy the Borg queen but even then...

For me the debate of greatest Star Trek villain boils down to Khan or Dukat. Khan beats out Dukat because he's far more recognized than Dukat, and Dukat spiraled into cartoon villainy during DS9's last season.

[thwhtGuardian]

I've always like the rivalry with the Romulans the best to be honest.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Khan, all day long. Of all the Star Trek movie villains (excluding the Abrams reboot), he was head and shoulders above all the rest.

[Kirby101]

Nero

[BeastieRunner]

This feels a bit apples and oranges to me.

Khan is a person and the Borg are not.

If it was Borg or Klingons or Romulans, etc.

Or Khan vs. Lore vs. Q vs. Armus vs. Harry Mudd vs. General Chang, etc.

But that being said, I went with Khan.

[Cyke]

I much prefer Dukat over Khan, but that just may be oversaturation of Khan. Dear Star Trek -- not every villain has to be modeled after Khan, most certainly not for things like reboots.

Seriously, I recall the press releases for each TNG movie saying, "so-and-so is the most dangerous villain since Khan!", and then the Abrams movies followed suit (one literally). Sure, he made his impact, but don't keep trying to make him the benchmark each and every time, because then that means every villain since then wasn't up to snuff. Make these villains formidable in their own right.

[master of read]

dukat for me as well. more complex personality with more complex motives. plus, i find his rivalry with sisko to be the stuff of legends.

[babyblob]

Dukat was the best Villain in Star Trek hands down.

But if we answer he questions in the post.

Khan was the better villain while the Borg are the bigger threat.

[Frobisher]

Q, like, obv.

[Sutekh]

Dukat was the best Villain in Star Trek hands down.

But if we answer he questions in the post.

Khan was the better villain while the Borg are the bigger threat.

Agreed. Dukat benefitted from much more characterization, if Khan had lasted an entire season, or even multiple seasons, as a threat, then sure, that could have rocked, but he didn't, and so Dukat takes it away.

The Borg, IMO, lost a step when the Borg Queen notion was introduced. I think they felt more of a insidious faceless unbeatable threat when there wasn't a 'boss' and the threat was *all of them*, there being no 'head of the snake' to be cut off and leave them floundering.

Q, just, meh. He was too much dependent, IMO, on whether or not you like that sort of humor, or the actor's delivery, and I didn't, so he was just annoying and a distraction, like a recurring Squire of Trelane that would never seem to grow up or be really relevant.

Enterprise and Discovery didn't really contribute much in the way of 'big bads,' that I can recall. Much like the original series, most of their foes came and went, unlike the Borg Queen, Dukat and Q, who at least had some longevity. Voyager had problems with recurring threats as the ship was in constant motion and not revisiting past locations, due to the nature of the show, so that at least follows.

[Castle]

I've always like the rivalry with the Romulans the best to be honest.

Romulans are not true villains they are just very misunderstood.

[Castle]

Nero

Nero was an okayish villain, not really the best but a good plot device for Star Trek 2009 film.

[WebLurker]

Agree with everyone that DS9's Gul Dukat was one of the best singular villain characters in the franchise and that comparing Khan to the Borg is an apples and oranges situation (one being a specific antagonist character, the other an antagonist species). That said, I think the Borg have shown more story opportunities and have had a bigger impact on the franchise as a whole (I mean, they're arguably the one post-TOS character/alien that's become part of the most iconic, part of pop culture roster from the franchise).

[Anthony W]

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