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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    No one's censoring anything. It's just people being more aware of things.

    Besides, it's not like we never had over sensitive people in the past.
    As you said, there were always overly sensitive people. It just seems more prolific because there's a medium for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    In The Replacement Killers, the edited out the romance between Chow Yun Fat and Scorvino because it made test audiences uncomfortable. I would rather people uncomfortable with racism than an attractive Asian man kissing a white woman.
    In the original Star Trek, Roddenberry had intended a relationship between Spock and Uhura. He had to justify it by arguing that Spock isn't really a white human male but an alien and the network still wouldn't allow it. The Uhura/ Spock relationship in the new movies was to honor Roddenberry's original intentions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    In The Replacement Killers, the edited out the romance between Chow Yun Fat and Scorvino because it made test audiences uncomfortable. I would rather people uncomfortable with racism than an attractive Asian man kissing a white woman.
    But don't you know we were somehow freer in our bigoted past!?

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    When Three's Company came on the air in the late 70s, there was a lot of controversy over the sexiness of the show. But it was so popular that all of the complaints were ignored.

    But there's no way it could get on the air today because of the derogatory jokes about homosexuals, especially homosexual men. Calling them tinker bells and fairies just wouldn't fly today. It started with Mr. Roper and continued with Mr. Furley all through the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    But don't you know we were somehow freer in our bigoted past!?
    Yeah, freer to be racists and misogynists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caj View Post
    When Three's Company came on the air in the late 70s, there was a lot of controversy over the sexiness of the show. But it was so popular that all of the complaints were ignored.

    But there's no way it could get on the air today because of the derogatory jokes about homosexuals, especially homosexual men. Calling them tinker bells and fairies just wouldn't fly today. It started with Mr. Roper and continued with Mr. Furley all through the series.
    And unless it takes place in Utah, a man wouldn't have to pretend to be gay to have women as roommates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Yeah, freer to be racists and misogynists.
    Won't somebody think of the poor bigots!

    Seriously though, while some people are too sensitive to things like racism in movies, can you blame them when for decades they've been ignored.

    I think the sensitivity goes both ways, but it all depends on what your being offended by. Not all offenses are equal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Won't somebody think of the poor bigots!

    Seriously though, while some people are too sensitive to things like racism in movies, can you blame them when for decades they've been ignored.

    I think the sensitivity goes both ways, but it all depends on what your being offended by. Not all offenses are equal
    Yeah, most complaints about PC (Political Correctness) is not being allowed to be a bigot. "Why do people get upset when we call grown women Girls, or black men Boys?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Yeah, most complaints about PC (Political Correctness) is not being allowed to be a bigot. "Why do people get upset when we call grown women Girls, or black men Boys?"
    Exactly. The thing is, a lot of anti-PC people get sensitive themselves anytime you try to change things.

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    Maybe my problem w. all this isn’t the overly sensitive ppl yelling (as they’ve always have). It’s that the various entertainment industries are now bending over backwards/walking on eggshells/watering down product/blatantly race swapping white characters instead of using already existing POC/getting blowback for every casting choice that doesn’t fit a character’s exact race, sexual persuasion, disability...when entertainment is by definition playing things you aren’t.

    Like I’ve said before though, it saddens me that Eric McCormack prob. wouldn’t be cast in Will & Grace if that show were created today, or face all sorts of online anger if he was, because he’s not actually gay, despite the fact that he was great in the role and went on to support many worthy causes over the last two decades.

    It’s strange that on the one hand “we” say a person’s sexual preference is their own business and shouldn’t factor into things like employment, while on the other, ppl are basically being asked to give a sexual history in regards to certain roles they might try out for. Ah, enough soap boxing, no one ever actually listens to my arguments anyway.

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    Maybe it's because for so long the industry has excluded women, PoC and other groups from actively participating and telling their stories from their points of view? Think about how many poor portrayals of marginalized groups like the mentally disabled or Asian Americans have been done by the majority.

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    There’s also an argument to be made that a more progressive society is more profitable overall than a more regressive one; people sometime confuse “PC” for being a genuine ideal a company has, rather than a realization that previously neglected demographics can rake in even more money for the studios if they actually step out of their comfort zone.

    I don't feel it's a coincidence that even though The Force Awakens made more money than Captain America: Civil War, Black Panther beat The Last Jedi in spite of TLJ having a better release date and similar degrees of critical acclaim. And while there’s a lot of reason for that, some of it comes down to Black Panther having reached into neglected demographics of race and gender and doing right by them, while TLJ quietly denigrated and demoted its black protagonist (Finn) while writing the female main character (Rey) in an afterthought of a sexist romance with Kylo. Simply not having those weaknesses and instead having strength in representation gave BP much stronger legs.

    It’s also why letting other demographics have a hand in creation pays off as well; John Boyega not having any say in his mistreatment in Star Wars can be tied to the failure with Finn, just like Daisy Ridley working only with male directors in the trilogy hurt her ability to point out problem with the relationship with Kylo... but putting POC and female directors in charge of products has at least avoided those pitfalls in recent movies.
    Like action, adventure, rogues, and outlaws? Like anti-heroes, femme fatales, mysteries and thrillers?

    I wrote a book with them. Outlaw’s Shadow: A Sherwood Noir. Robin Hood’s evil counterpart, Guy of Gisbourne, is the main character. Feel free to give it a look: https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asi...E2PKBNJFH76GQP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerboy View Post
    In the original Star Trek, Roddenberry had intended a relationship between Spock and Uhura. He had to justify it by arguing that Spock isn't really a white human male but an alien and the network still wouldn't allow it. The Uhura/ Spock relationship in the new movies was to honor Roddenberry's original intentions.
    And when they had Kirk kissing Uhura in a later episode, several NBC affiliates in the South refused to air the episode, even though Roddenberry got it past the network by having it as an alien forcing Kirk and Uhura to kiss against their will.
    Watching television is not an activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godisawesome View Post
    There’s also an argument to be made that a more progressive society is more profitable overall than a more regressive one; people sometime confuse “PC” for being a genuine ideal a company has, rather than a realization that previously neglected demographics can rake in even more money for the studios if they actually step out of their comfort zone.

    I don't feel it's a coincidence that even though The Force Awakens made more money than Captain America: Civil War, Black Panther beat The Last Jedi in spite of TLJ having a better release date and similar degrees of critical acclaim. And while there’s a lot of reason for that, some of it comes down to Black Panther having reached into neglected demographics of race and gender and doing right by them, while TLJ quietly denigrated and demoted its black protagonist (Finn) while writing the female main character (Rey) in an afterthought of a sexist romance with Kylo. Simply not having those weaknesses and instead having strength in representation gave BP much stronger legs.

    It’s also why letting other demographics have a hand in creation pays off as well; John Boyega not having any say in his mistreatment in Star Wars can be tied to the failure with Finn, just like Daisy Ridley working only with male directors in the trilogy hurt her ability to point out problem with the relationship with Kylo... but putting POC and female directors in charge of products has at least avoided those pitfalls in recent movies.
    It bugs how some people only complain about capitalism when a movie or game doesn't focus on white guys.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malvolio View Post
    And when they had Kirk kissing Uhura in a later episode, several NBC affiliates in the South refused to air the episode, even though Roddenberry got it past the network by having it as an alien forcing Kirk and Uhura to kiss against their will.
    It's insane how fragile people were back then.

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    50 years ago, Petula Clarke touched Harry Belefonte's arm and caused an uproar. But be alarmed at under representation or bigotry now, and you are a "snowflake".

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...ism-arm-in-arm

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