How do you separate the artist from the work?

[AndrewCrossett]

Hollywood sort of forgave Mel after he apologised with Robert Downey Jnr vouching for him and telling people to give him a second chance.

I cannot say I fully support RDJ here but RDJ does seem genuine with the forgive Mel Gibson cause.

I don't see Whedon as a guy who will ever apologise. he does come off as an arrogant narcissist and i do think the success of Avengers went to his head a lot more than the usual Hollywood director big break movie.However even if Whedon apologises, who can vouch for him in the same manner RDJ did for Mel Gibson?

In cases like this an immediate apology won't work, especially for something that happened over the course of years or decades and not a one-time thing. It would just come off as trying to save his career by mouthing the right words, nobody would believe it, and it would just be met with mockery.

After a few years in exile, keeping very quiet and not adding any more fuel to the fire, he might be able to claim that he's changed and it might work if the injured parties agree to forgive him. But not right now.

[Zauriel]

Elvis still has a lot of fans and he was a womanizer and was unfaithful to his wife. I can still watch him.
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Elvis was a saint compared to David Bowie and Jimmy Page, both of whom slept with underage girls. Some People still listen to their music to this day.

[babyblob]

Elvis was a saint compared to David Bowie and Jimmy Page, both of whom slept with underage girls. Some People still listen to their music to this day.

Jerry Lee Lewis says hello.

[Valentis]

Jerry Lee Lewis says hello.

Elvis started dating Priscilla Presley, who he brought to live with him when she was 14. Jerry married his 13 year old cousin.

[Zauriel]

It's mainly an issue when their deep flaws seem to be reflected in their work. There was a Northlanders arc where a young woman learns to be more selfless and understanding, which gets a weird subtext when we know that writer Brian Wood was a serial sexual harasser. Gerard Jones' child porn conviction makes me less interested in reading his Green Lantern, and I really don't want to reread Prime, his take on the Captain Marvel trope of a kid transforming into an adult superhero.

Mr. Jones is currently serving time in a prison. It's been now two years since he arrived in prison and I bet he's already had a few dates with his cellmates.

Gerard Jones probably wishes he is either rich or has connections like David Asimov, (son of famous author Isaac Asimov) who was arrested for possessing one of the largest child p0rn collections in CA history in 1998. Asimov got NO jail time but a $200 fine as a plea deal. Who do you think gave him the plea deal? Robert Mueller.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Jerry Lee Lewis says hello.

Same for Bill Wyman.

[Powerboy]

LOL. Not according to my film study class. I will stick to that over Marvel movies fights.



Mel also said racist things. one of the worst racist things I ever heard came from Mel Gibson, He told his girlfriend not to go out or she should dress more conservative unless she will be rapped by a pack of N word.

Hollywood sort of forgave Mel after he apologised with Robert Downey Jnr vouching for him and telling people to give him a second chance.



I cannot say I fully support RDJ here but RDJ does seem genuine with the forgive Mel Gibson cause.

I don't see Whedon as a guy who will ever apologise. he does come off as an arrogant narcissist and i do think the success of Avengers went to his head a lot more than the usual Hollywood director big break movie.However even if Whedon apologises, who can vouch for him in the same manner RDJ did for Mel Gibson?

I think the appeal here is that it's someone else saying these good things about Gibson, not Gibson saying them. It shows that he has redeeming qualities. At no point that I know of does RDJ say Gibson does not think those things. In fact, he specifically seems to imply that, yeah, he did. Now anyone who himself or herself is a perfect saint without faults...

As someone already said, it works because a long time has gone by, because it's somebody else saying it with a story about how Gibson selflessly helped him and so on.

[Powerboy]

Elvis started dating Priscilla Presley, who he brought to live with him when she was 14. Jerry married his 13 year old cousin.

This seems to confirm it.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/15/prisc...iends-9552208/

It's amazing she has no negative feelings about it. Although she defends it by saying it was a different world than it is now, that's reaching. The 1960s were not prehistoric times or pirates on the high seas. It was as bad then as it is now.

But I'll bet you that a lot of people who would crucify Michael Jackson would try to justify Elvis, partly if Elvis is more of their time and culture but partly because it was a female type person and not boys.

[Ikari]

Steve Jobs was a horrible workplace tyrant, are people throwing away their iPhones in disgust? Nope...

[CentralPower]

I have worked out a three point scale for this type of question.

-severity of the bad act: This is partly legal, and partly moral. Obviously, the worse the bad act, the harder it is to ignore.

-how much bad actor's work is a product of their brain: The more directly connected work-product is to the maker's brain, the harder it is to separate from them or their bad actions. (For example, it is easier to separate an actor's work from their bad actions then it is to separate a writer or director from theirs.)

-value of the work: This generally applies more to captains of industry, scientists or other leaders than to creative types. But, in some cases, the work is simply to valuable to discard. (I am going to overlook dubious qualities from a Ford, Musk or Von Braun more readily than from a Whedon or Cosby.)

[Zauriel]

What would you do, if you admired a painting and then discovered it was made by Adolf Hitler?

I'd look at his works from an objective point of view. In my opinion, he was better off as an architect than an artist. His paintings of people were cold and unfeeling. But the way he painted pictures of buildings is impressive, precise and calculated. Hitler's landscape paintings are also beautiful and captured the essence of nature.

Most of the buyers of Hitler's paintings were Jewish. In other words, he murdered his biggest customers who paid him money to get food, clothing and shelter . No sense of gratitude at all.

Hitler aspired to become a painter but when he failed to achieve his dream, he chose a different career path.
Imagine if he became a successful artist and devoted his life to painting, he wouldn't enter the world of politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintings_by_Adolf_Hitler

[green_garnish]

What would you do, if you admired a painting and then discovered it was made by Adolf Hitler?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintings_by_Adolf_Hitler

I would continue to admire the painting but absolutely refuse to do anything that might increase its financial significance. What would you do?

[DanMad1977]

If you cannot separate the artist from his work, you cannot read or watch anything anymore, because everyone has their sins. Some of their misbehavior gets out into the public, some not. Who says Stan Lee or Steven Spielberg or whoever you want to insert here, hasn't some things done in life that is shady but we don't know about?

[green_garnish]

If you cannot separate the artist from his work, you cannot read or watch anything anymore, because everyone has their sins. Some of their misbehavior gets out into the public, some not. Who says Stan Lee or Steven Spielberg or whoever you want to insert here, hasn't some things done in life that is shady but we don't know about?

Some sins are more predatory than others.

[DanMad1977]

I would continue to admire the painting but absolutely refuse to do anything that might increase its financial significance. What would you do?

If Adolf Hitler created Spider-Man, I would still read it. I still visit the USA even if its had a narcissistic president and is build on the blood of the Indians. I still live in Germany despite our dark past.
And so on...