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    Quote Originally Posted by John Venus View Post
    Given that Green Arrow is a combination of Robin Hood and Robinson Crusoe, I'm surprised there hasn't been more done on this angle. His rogues gallery could introduce an evil Red Riding Hood character,a werewolf, a mad scientist based off of the character Island of Moreau, the Invisible Man, Sinbad, the Three Musketeers and whatever other character from classic literature that could show up. If it were up to me, I would totally dive deep into this angle.

    As for the GA Family, I would include everyone: Roy, Connor, Mia, Lian and Emiko but I would make them all distinct. Oliver, Emiko and Mia can be archers. Roy would be a weapon specialist who can be good at anything. Connor is the martial artist, maybe give him a bo staff or a pair of fighting sticks.

    I would also revamp Shado as a more heroic character. Maybe Emiko had an older sister or an aunt or it's not somebody who is blood related but still has a right to the mantle. In Longbow Hunters, Shado was a very morally gray character, more anti hero until she raped GA and I don't think anyone wants the latter plot to be canon any more. I would also incorporate Cheshire into the world due to her connection with Roy Harper as well as Onyx who was more of a GA character anyway and she has ties to the League of Assassins.

    As for love interests, well, I've stated before that I rather Dinah grow into her own hero and continue that evolution. I would start off with Ollie as a single adventurer and lean into that James Bond archetype. I don't think trying to outright replace Black Canary by replicating their dynamic with other characters would work either. I would have him hook up with different women over the course of the run like Sandra Hawke, Shado (a version whom he is not related to), Onyx, Joanna Pierce and stepping outside the Arrow World; maybe Crimson Fox or Phantom Lady. If there is something there, we move forward with it. If not, it's always possible to bring in a version of Black Canary and have them do their thing.

    As for team, I want Ollie to have his 'stuff' as much as possible. So instead of Outsiders I would try to do a modern revamp of the Seven Soldiers.
    With Cheshire, I'd prefer her as a hero but as long as the Dragon Lady stuff is removed, I'd be okay with it.

    Speaking of the Seven Soldiers, one idea I had is that both Roy and the third Crimson Avenger were trained in a sort of Gun Kata fighting style or they developed it together.

    The fairy tale motif is an interesting idea but I wonder if it could be seen as redundant given that also pops up in Batman and DC has Fables. If you lean into the Robin Hood motif, you could maybe have an analogue for the Sherriff of Nottingham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    With Cheshire, I'd prefer her as a hero but as long as the Dragon Lady stuff is removed, I'd be okay with it.

    Speaking of the Seven Soldiers, one idea I had is that both Roy and the third Crimson Avenger were trained in a sort of Gun Kata fighting style or they developed it together.

    The fairy tale motif is an interesting idea but I wonder if it could be seen as redundant given that also pops up in Batman and DC has Fables. If you lean into the Robin Hood motif, you could maybe have an analogue for the Sherriff of Nottingham.
    I think too many female villainesses become sympathetic or an anti- hero over time. Cheshire can be gleefully evil yet still sympathetic villainess. Aside from taking advantage of GA, nothing Shado has never done anything truly villainous so it's much easier for me to see her become a hero.

    That's cool.

    Batman is trending more towards horror theme these days and Fables is it's own thing. I think the fairy tale theme is more organic for Green Arrow and I don't mind thematic overlap so long as GA isn't taking away Batman villains or telling Batman stories but with Green Arrow.

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    For Gods and Monsters, I thought about Count Vertigo's nephew becoming that universe's version of Green Arrow.

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    I don't think theres much wrong with his current continuity. That also has a healthy amount of tv stuff, that yeah is kinda hard not to incorporate some of it. Sara should be introduced. I'd still keep Seattle as his city, I've actually gone through a lot of Green Arrow stuff with barely any Star City. I'd also bring Roy back if he hasn't come back yet, maybe with Lian.

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    This could be an interesting and fun experiment.

    Oliver and Robert Queen are set to take Robert's new yacht, Pacific: The Queen's Gambit, on an excursion, its maiden voyage out of Star City. Oliver has been taking a lot of risks; bungee jumping, rock climbing, summitting large mountains, you name it. As a kid, he saw The Adventures of Robin Hood and, as a result, wanted to be him more than anything. So his parents got somebody who worked on the film to come and teach him archery. He buys the bow used in the film for 100,000 at auction years later, never practicing archery after that time. While on the yacht he practices his archery skills, they're very basic and rudimentary.

    There's a storm at sea. Their boat is caught up and they lose all sense of direction. They're left adrift for days. The boat captain appears to have been thrown over board during the storm. Robert believes there's no way for the two of them to survive with what little supplies they have, so he kills himself in front of Ollie, telling him he's sorry and he hopes Ollie will be a better man than he was and make up for his mistakes. Now Ollie must find a way out of his situation, which is currently alone and marooned at sea with only a few rations left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    This is a thread for fans to create their own Green Arrow series as they see fit. History, villains, supporting cast, location, etc.
    I'd play Ollie as the ultimate minimalist, doing a kind of "wandering mystery man" archetype mixed with heavy folk lore influences. Grell meets Johnny Appleseed.

    In a way it'd almost be Ollie's post-retirement, "Old Man Queen" except designed as a sustainable status quo and not a "the end" story.

    Ollie's long since lost his company and fortune. He's left the League over "creative differences," though he's not really at odds with them either. Gone are all the trick arrows, the big lairs full of supplies. Maybe a few emergency caches still exist here and there, but if Ollie had a diamond-tipped arrow left to his name, he'd sell it for chili supplies and gas. Ollie's even left both Seattle and Star behind; one city because it's safe in Roy's hands, the other because the mission ended and Ollie took down the people he'd sworn to take down.

    All Ollie owns is a damn good bow, an eighteen wheeler he uses as a base/home, and a motorcycle. His only income is what he takes from the bad guys. And he's never been happier. He and Dinah aren't married, and spend a good chunk of time apart (Dinah's a Leaguer, and a legit biker rocker star recording smash hits), but they're committed; no major problems, no cheating, no BS; they're both too damn old for the off-on drama so they've agreed to just get along and be in a healthy, monogamous relationship while giving each other plenty of space to do their own thing, it's non-traditional and it's working beautifully. Ollie's long mended fences with Roy (now a Argus or Checkmate or whoever agent), though their past remains a scar between them. He adores little Lian, and in her eyes he's never disappointed her. Emiko/Red Arrow lives and travels with Ollie and they have their issues but, in the main, are good.

    So Ollie and Emiko travel, going town to town, helping regular people with their local problems, making a real, quantifiable difference in their lives. And when the trouble has past, Ollie moves on as well. He's still a grumpy, loud mouthed liberal jackass, but he's more seasoned, a little less abrasive. He's still deeply flawed, but time has given him perspective.

    My Green Arrow book would do a lot of one-off stories, I'm thinking something like a Waid-Samee title. Instead of a endless stream of super villains you'd have things like....

    Ollie keeping a group of people alive during a natural disaster.

    Ollie joining a protest, trying to keep it peaceful as things escalate, and ultimately preventing a scuffle from turning into a full-blown riot.

    Ollie delivering a stranger's baby when he finds her car pulled over on the side of the road.

    Ollie and four other people are shot in a drive-by; while wounded Ollie has to perform CPR and keep everyone breathing until help arrives.

    Ollie helps a town find a clean water supply.

    And yeah, Ollie would fight some bad guys; local gangs and dealers, wife beaters, bigger fish like Brick and Intergang, the occasional political thriller villain Count Vertigo or General Eiling, but mostly it'd be a different kind of heroism we'd see, something closer to steel driving man John Henry than Batman.
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    Emiko and Cissie both go to the same school and are part of an archery club.

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    Chanda Madan is present. She is a metahuman telekinetic and in a relationship with Mia Dearden.

    John Diggle and Lyla Michaels are married and allies to Oliver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I'd play Ollie as the ultimate minimalist, doing a kind of "wandering mystery man" archetype mixed with heavy folk lore influences. Grell meets Johnny Appleseed.

    In a way it'd almost be Ollie's post-retirement, "Old Man Queen" except designed as a sustainable status quo and not a "the end" story.

    Ollie's long since lost his company and fortune. He's left the League over "creative differences," though he's not really at odds with them either. Gone are all the trick arrows, the big lairs full of supplies. Maybe a few emergency caches still exist here and there, but if Ollie had a diamond-tipped arrow left to his name, he'd sell it for chili supplies and gas. Ollie's even left both Seattle and Star behind; one city because it's safe in Roy's hands, the other because the mission ended and Ollie took down the people he'd sworn to take down.

    All Ollie owns is a damn good bow, an eighteen wheeler he uses as a base/home, and a motorcycle. His only income is what he takes from the bad guys. And he's never been happier. He and Dinah aren't married, and spend a good chunk of time apart (Dinah's a Leaguer, and a legit biker rocker star recording smash hits), but they're committed; no major problems, no cheating, no BS; they're both too damn old for the off-on drama so they've agreed to just get along and be in a healthy, monogamous relationship while giving each other plenty of space to do their own thing, it's non-traditional and it's working beautifully. Ollie's long mended fences with Roy (now a Argus or Checkmate or whoever agent), though their past remains a scar between them. He adores little Lian, and in her eyes he's never disappointed her. Emiko/Red Arrow lives and travels with Ollie and they have their issues but, in the main, are good.

    So Ollie and Emiko travel, going town to town, helping regular people with their local problems, making a real, quantifiable difference in their lives. And when the trouble has past, Ollie moves on as well. He's still a grumpy, loud mouthed liberal jackass, but he's more seasoned, a little less abrasive. He's still deeply flawed, but time has given him perspective.

    My Green Arrow book would do a lot of one-off stories, I'm thinking something like a Waid-Samee title. Instead of a endless stream of super villains you'd have things like....

    Ollie keeping a group of people alive during a natural disaster.

    Ollie joining a protest, trying to keep it peaceful as things escalate, and ultimately preventing a scuffle from turning into a full-blown riot.

    Ollie delivering a stranger's baby when he finds her car pulled over on the side of the road.

    Ollie and four other people are shot in a drive-by; while wounded Ollie has to perform CPR and keep everyone breathing until help arrives.

    Ollie helps a town find a clean water supply.

    And yeah, Ollie would fight some bad guys; local gangs and dealers, wife beaters, bigger fish like Brick and Intergang, the occasional political thriller villain Count Vertigo or General Eiling, but mostly it'd be a different kind of heroism we'd see, something closer to steel driving man John Henry than Batman.
    I love this idea. Fund it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    I'd play Ollie as the ultimate minimalist, doing a kind of "wandering mystery man" archetype mixed with heavy folk lore influences. Grell meets Johnny Appleseed.

    In a way it'd almost be Ollie's post-retirement, "Old Man Queen" except designed as a sustainable status quo and not a "the end" story.

    Ollie's long since lost his company and fortune. He's left the League over "creative differences," though he's not really at odds with them either. Gone are all the trick arrows, the big lairs full of supplies. Maybe a few emergency caches still exist here and there, but if Ollie had a diamond-tipped arrow left to his name, he'd sell it for chili supplies and gas. Ollie's even left both Seattle and Star behind; one city because it's safe in Roy's hands, the other because the mission ended and Ollie took down the people he'd sworn to take down.

    All Ollie owns is a damn good bow, an eighteen wheeler he uses as a base/home, and a motorcycle. His only income is what he takes from the bad guys. And he's never been happier. He and Dinah aren't married, and spend a good chunk of time apart (Dinah's a Leaguer, and a legit biker rocker star recording smash hits), but they're committed; no major problems, no cheating, no BS; they're both too damn old for the off-on drama so they've agreed to just get along and be in a healthy, monogamous relationship while giving each other plenty of space to do their own thing, it's non-traditional and it's working beautifully. Ollie's long mended fences with Roy (now a Argus or Checkmate or whoever agent), though their past remains a scar between them. He adores little Lian, and in her eyes he's never disappointed her. Emiko/Red Arrow lives and travels with Ollie and they have their issues but, in the main, are good.

    So Ollie and Emiko travel, going town to town, helping regular people with their local problems, making a real, quantifiable difference in their lives. And when the trouble has past, Ollie moves on as well. He's still a grumpy, loud mouthed liberal jackass, but he's more seasoned, a little less abrasive. He's still deeply flawed, but time has given him perspective.

    My Green Arrow book would do a lot of one-off stories, I'm thinking something like a Waid-Samee title. Instead of a endless stream of super villains you'd have things like....

    Ollie keeping a group of people alive during a natural disaster.

    Ollie joining a protest, trying to keep it peaceful as things escalate, and ultimately preventing a scuffle from turning into a full-blown riot.

    Ollie delivering a stranger's baby when he finds her car pulled over on the side of the road.

    Ollie and four other people are shot in a drive-by; while wounded Ollie has to perform CPR and keep everyone breathing until help arrives.

    Ollie helps a town find a clean water supply.

    And yeah, Ollie would fight some bad guys; local gangs and dealers, wife beaters, bigger fish like Brick and Intergang, the occasional political thriller villain Count Vertigo or General Eiling, but mostly it'd be a different kind of heroism we'd see, something closer to steel driving man John Henry than Batman.
    I love this idea. Fund it!

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    I'd have Oliver and Sandra be together and raise Connor.

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