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    Quote Originally Posted by CSTowle View Post
    I think Bendis wanted to put his stamp on a villain, just didn't work out. In fairness, his original mini-series by Brian K. Vaughan (of "Y the Last Man" and "Saga" fame) and Kyle Hotz was actually pretty good, IMO.

    https://www.amazon.com/Hood-Blood-St.../dp/0785110585
    Bendis during his run on Avengers seems to have taken a shine to using characters that had gotten introduced in various minis. Besides Hood, there was also Ares from the Oeming mini, Marvel Boy from the Morrison/Jones mini and Sentry (by Jenkins).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne View Post
    Bendis during his run on Avengers seems to have taken a shine to using characters that had gotten introduced in various minis. Besides Hood, there was also Ares from the Oeming mini, Marvel Boy from the Morrison/Jones mini and Sentry (by Jenkins).
    Yeah, I see what you mean ... even when I was posting that about the Hood, I was recalling how the same could be said (about how they were kind of ubiquitous back then, but have since disappeared) about the Sentry and Ares. For all that he was a darker kind of character, Sentry was clearly meant power-wise to be like Marvel's answer to Superman, and for a bit there, it seemed like Ares was going to be as much a fixture to the Avengers as Thor, and moreso than Hercules.

    I guess other writers need to get on board to make stuff like that stick though, because none of those characters remained as ever-present as they were for that moment in time. Marvel Boy was brought back in Guardians of the Galaxy though, and apparently he and Hercules were kind of a thing.
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    Personally, I think Thanos belongs on this list, especially since he has become Jim Starlin's Mary Sue and completely unbeatable.If any writer has the gall to write a story where Thanos is bested, another story is written to say that wasn't but one of his Thanosi duplicates, which are identical to Doombots in function, only 'cosmic'. And because Thanos can't be beaten, his stories consist of him effortlessly defeating the universe's heroes and then deciding not to win for reasons of his own.

    And all this from a character who started because Starlin said "I want to ripoff Metron" and Roy Thomas replied "Nah, ripoff Darkseid instead".

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    In regards to pet characters in comics, most of the examples I can think of are created by the people who flaunt them such as Bendis with Naomi, Marv Wolfman with Baron Winters, Geoff Johns with Stargirl, and Grant Morrison with Damian Wayne.

    What are some examples of comic book writers treating pre-established characters with the "creator's pet" mentality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by godisawesome View Post
    I have a couple:

    New 52 Teen Titans - Harvest - He basically became Scott Lobdell’s one-stop shopping order for whatever over-blown, pulled-out-of-his-ass misery that he inflicted on the book and its fans. Worst of all was when Didio wanted Superboy removed so Jon Kent could take the identity, so they interrupted a story arc from Pfeiffer just to have Lobdell bring in Harvest to declare Superboy a murder and disappear with him.

    Star Wars - Ben. *******. Solo - Notice I didn’t say Kylo Ren; that persona was useful for at least one film as a bad guy, and honestly got just as screwed over as everyone else by the concept of Ben Solo, who LFL sacrificed every bit of goodwill and developed character they had in the ST to try and worship. Finn got demoted and denigrated for daring to be successful and not Adam Driver, Rey got pimped out and stripped of her characterization from TFA to pretend Ben Solo was someone people would care about, and the OT3 characters had all their legacy invested in this Neo-Nazi School Shooting Patricide who was never that deep to begin with.

    People blame Rey’s power level for screwing her over. Being prostitution to Kylo Ren/Ben Solo starting in TLJ did a hell of a lot more damage than her power level.
    Wasn't Ben Solo a character from the Star Wars Expanded Universe before the Disney Acquisition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Hunter View Post
    In regards to pet characters in comics, most of the examples I can think of are created by the people who flaunt them such as Bendis with Naomi, Marv Wolfman with Baron Winters, Geoff Johns with Stargirl, and Grant Morrison with Damian Wayne.

    What are some examples of comic book writers treating pre-established characters with the "creator's pet" mentality?
    The most offbeat example that I can think of is from when David V. Reed was writing Batman in the 1970s. For some reason, he become obsessed with a minor villain created by Robert Kanigher called Dr. Tzin-Tzin: a Fu Manchu-type (who was really a white man in yellowface) with illusion powers. Reed felt Dr. Tzin-Tzin should be a major part of Batman's rogues gallery and wrote several stories featuring him. He even had Batman refer to him as the most dangerous foe he had ever faced, and in one story he breaks into prison so he can consult Tzin-Tzin on the baffling crime he was currently investigating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Hunter View Post
    Wasn't Ben Solo a character from the Star Wars Expanded Universe before the Disney Acquisition?
    Actually, no, though the similar concepts existed, and are part of the reason I can’t stand that character.

    Ben Skywalker was a Pre-Disney son of Luke and his wife Mara Jade, who never truly fell to the dark side, though he was tempted. He was never my favorite character... but he at least existed in a world where the family got a satisfactory ending.

    Jacen Solo was a Pre-Disney son of Han and Leia who started out as a hero alongside his twin sister and brother, including getting an awesome “safe the universe” story before he badge the Sith Lord Darth Caedus. His villainous turn was somewhat sloppy and full of missed opportunities... but wasn’t nearly as insultingly shallow, prejudiced, or as much of a cancer on the storyline. I mean, at least they had the decency with him to make it so no heroic female lead character seemed to fall for him because he was an *******, which is how The Last a Jedi did it with Kylo, and they had the balls to actually elevate a heroine (his sister) by keeping him as a villain to the end.
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