Superman & Lois S1: Spoilers, Discussion, & Speculation

[Frontier]

Extended episodes will be released on the CW App.

[stargazer01]

I didn't want an exact replica of Donner's Fortress, I wanted something cooler and with more technology. Something more grand and roomy lol. What I saw felt too small. It really felt like a TV budget. This show's FOS is pretty much the worse I've seen. Even Krypton on SyFy showed cooler places.


Something more like this is what I hoped to see.

[Vordan]

I didn't want an exact replica of Donner's Fortress, I wanted something cooler and with more technology. Something more grand and roomy lol. What I saw felt too small. It really felt like a TV budget. This show's FOS is pretty much the worse I've seen. Even Krypton on SyFy showed cooler places.


Something more like this is what I hoped to see.

Hm in terms of barrenness the show’s FoS is pretty close to that. I do hope that they plan to have Clark do some interior decorating when it comes to the Fortress, the Spartan “realistic” aesthetic is a boring choice imo.

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Hm in terms of barrenness the show’s FoS is pretty close to that. I do hope that they plan to have Clark do some interior decorating when it comes to the Fortress, the Spartan “realistic” aesthetic is a boring choice imo.

Agreed. I was deeply underwhelmed by the Fortress as nothing more than a glorified ice igloo and a D-list middle aged actor giving a bored Brando/Crowe impression. I understand playing Jor-El like you're a bored actor cashing a paycheck is a funny joke, but I'd like to see more compelling stuff with AI Jor-El than what we've gotten so far. At least give us Kelex!

[Frontier]

Agreed. I was deeply underwhelmed by the Fortress as nothing more than a glorified ice igloo and a D-list middle aged actor giving a bored Brando/Crowe impression. I understand playing Jor-El like you're a bored actor cashing a paycheck is a funny joke, but I'd like to see more compelling stuff with AI Jor-El than what we've gotten so far. At least give us Kelex!

The funny thing is Supergirl's Fortress had Kelex .

At least this Jor-El AI seems actually helpful and not Terrence Stamp's "I will teach you properly Kal-El by ruining your life and forcing you to do things you don't want to do" Jor-El AI.

[Vordan]

The funny thing is Supergirl's Fortress had Kelex .

At least this Jor-El AI seems actually helpful and not Terrence Stamp's "I will teach you properly Kal-El by ruining your life and forcing you to do things you don't want to do" Jor-El AI.

Welling Clark was a whiny little **** though who never wanted to be Superman and basically had to be forced into it

So I can totally get why AI Jor-El would be a dick to him (although I think they hand waved that he was partly corrupted).

Also I like that it’s explicit that Jordan was named after Jor-El.

[Frontier]

Welling Clark was a whiny little **** though who never wanted to be Superman and basically had to be forced into it

So I can totally get why AI Jor-El would be a dick to him (although I think they hand waved that he was partly corrupted).

Also I like that it’s explicit that Jordan was named after Jor-El.

Yeah, but you could kind of understand why he hated the Jor-El AI for how it treated/acted around him.

[Vordan]

Yeah, but you could kind of understand why he hated the Jor-El AI for how it treated/acted around him.

Oh for sure, definitely more dickish than the usual Jor-Els.

[OpaqueGiraffe17]

Yeah didn't they have entire seasons where Jor-El was the source of everyone's misery, I think Clark and others got possessed by him a bunch of times, and didn't it cause Martha to have a miscarriage? Only for to back medel and ignore all that by the time Zod or Darkseid or something showed up in latter seasons, and they'd pretend he'd been the benign Marlon Brando mentor type all along. It was pretty messy.

[manwhohaseverything]

I didn't want an exact replica of Donner's Fortress, I wanted something cooler and with more technology. Something more grand and roomy lol. What I saw felt too small. It really felt like a TV budget. This show's FOS is pretty much the worse I've seen. Even Krypton on SyFy showed cooler places.


Something more like this is what I hoped to see.

Those aren't crystals?looks like it to me.

Welling Clark was a whiny little **** though who never wanted to be Superman and basically had to be forced into it

So I can totally get why AI Jor-El would be a dick to him (although I think they hand waved that he was partly corrupted).

Also I like that it’s explicit that Jordan was named after Jor-El.

He didn't want to be superman because he didn't want the powers.There was allusions to superman being sent to conquer earth.Jor el was a jackass who didn't leave choice to him.Jor el was basically shoving Clark to be some sortof savior.Even tried to kill Lois being corrupted (if I remember).He didn't want that.He wanted to be strong on his own merits.He wanted to help people without having to wear costume or hiding for that matter.If I had powers I would have done what I wanted.Not what my dad told me too.actually,power wouldn't be a factor.i do what I think is right.

[Frontier]

Yeah didn't they have entire seasons where Jor-El was the source of everyone's misery, I think Clark and others got possessed by him a bunch of times, and didn't it cause Martha to have a miscarriage? Only for to back medel and ignore all that by the time Zod or Darkseid or something showed up in latter seasons, and they'd pretend he'd been the benign Marlon Brando mentor type all along. It was pretty messy.

I remember the one time Clark finally called him "father" in one of the later seasons and it just didn't feel as earned, or more like Clark just begrudgingly accepting it.

[GSman]

I remember the one time Clark finally called him "father" in one of the later seasons and it just didn't feel as earned, or more like Clark just begrudgingly accepting it.

Which made it all the more weird how he was mourning Jor-El's clone who was killed in Season 9. Like this dude wasn't the progenitor of your issues in the early seasons. Also lest we forget Jor-El took possession of a random woman and made her believe she was Kara in an attempt to control Clark more, and supposedly killed her after her usefulness was done. Jor-El was absolutely horrible during those early seasons.

[Killerbee911]

Both of the twins are half-kryptonian, it does not make sense that one would be completely human. Anyway, are they following the Supergirl arc where Lois gave birth on Kandor?

No both of the twins are "part" Kryptonian, Furthermore they are fraternal twins and not identical twins. I am not going to try to be super scientific here on this but both of twins take after their mother and Jonathan probably getting a recessive trait from his grandparents and Jordan didn't get it and his father traits hence why he has powers. There is a better way of explaining it (I just can't do it) but it does make sense why one is more human than the other one.

[Superboy-Prime]

They should both have powers. By themselves, too, not that theory where they have to be near each other.

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The funny thing is Supergirl's Fortress had Kelex .

At least this Jor-El AI seems actually helpful and not Terrence Stamp's "I will teach you properly Kal-El by ruining your life and forcing you to do things you don't want to do" Jor-El AI.

Yeah, not a fan of Smallville's sociopathic Jor-El AI, which was meant to be malfunctioning, but then that entire plotline was dropped, even though it forced Waid to drop that plot from his initial story for Birthright.