Sounds like the Linearverse is yet another universe within the multiverse...
Sounds like the Linearverse is yet another universe within the multiverse...
Pretty much a case of "Uncomplicate things by making them complicated."
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It's just silliness. We have two completely different versions of Superman's cousin - Power Girl and Supergirl. Does Superman just have two cousins now? What about Huntress? Or the Crime Syndicate? Or the Shazam family?
Stop trying to make everything work and just tell good stories!
I always thought sliding time was totally rational and easily understood. This is so problematic.
Oh, now I want a coherent continuity. It matters to me. I just often can't think a story is "good" when it completely ignores or contradicts previously established facts (characterizations, major plot points, important events) if we are in a universe where anything builds on each other and develops. I don't care for reboots and major retcons as a general rule (some exceptions apply), which can certainly be an issue as a comic reader.Stop trying to make everything work and just tell good stories!
Now, they've specifically set up different and mutually contradictory realities in the past, so they can't all work. But they can decide on what they want going forward and make that continuity work. I mean, if it was build to be functional from the start, unlike this idea.
I don't want to see characters married to different people or with different kids or different jobs or different personalities or different powers month-to-month. Might as well just have all new characters (and universes) if that's the case. Okay, so that's an extreme they wouldn't go to. But a coherent universe matters to me for an on-going title. I think it's perfectly possible to write very good stories within one continuity and without contradictions, and I think that's what writers in any universe should strive for. A failure to be able to write good stories within those confines is a failure of the writer, IMO. But that does presuppose a functional universe/continuity to start with, which isn't really present in DC right now.
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So this doesn't actually affect anything, it's just another "corner of the Omniverse". Meaning another alternate reality that just isn't called that way.
DC just can't stop picking at the scab, can they?
Enough of the continuity porn, just develop consistent characterizations and try to tell interesting stories.
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I dont see the point of this when Death Metal already did what this "Linearverse" is trying to do (but better) by just letting the heroes remember their past lives from before the reboots. however, it seems like it's just another reality in the greater Omniverse, so it truly doesn't matter if you don't want it to; and i don't. THIS feels more like the Didio baby everyone keeps claiming Future State is if I'm being honest, since this was allegedly meant to originally set up the 5 generations (5G).
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maybe I'm missing something but isn't Timely (which according to google came out the same decade as DC) just Marvel before it's re-brand? so it doesn't seem like the company had a leg up by coming out "decades after", it seems like they were just smarter about their branding and about building a coherent shared universe.
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My point was that Marvel, though an extension of Timely and later Atlas, was able to figure out what and what not to do when it was figuring out the new setup (which did include branding and the shared universe). Ironically, DC at that time was what Marvel has been for a half century - the Big Kahuna and didn't have to worry about recreating the wheel until it was too late.
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Not exactly.
DC was continually publishing comic books with Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman since the late 1930s/early 1940s.
Timely comics lasted until about 1950. After that, there was Atlas Comics, but they didn't continue publishing the superhero books, and when they did bring back The Human Torch, Sub-Mariner, and Captain America, it was for a brief period (about 1953-1955).
Marvel Comics officially started in 1961. All three companies were connected, but had brief spells where there was little-to-no comic book publishing. The base of Marvel Comics that we know today was the stories first published in the beginning of the 1960s, with some earlier material from Timely and Atlas then grafted on to the material produced by Marvel.
Yeah, Didio. I'm sure it was a little different from what we are ultimately getting now but the "almost everything happened" timeline aspect seems pretty close to the 5G timeline leak we got last year. At least to me.
The article too mentions Didio and speculates whether the Linearverse was DC's original plan for their overall continuity:
DiDio said in February, "All of our greatest stories and events will create the backdrop and context for the great new adventures we have planned. Everything counts, and we guarantee there'll be surprises along the way!"
"Ironically enough, this does reflect a bit of what Generations was in the beginning," [Dan Jurgens] says.
"[...]If you look at it as a set of puzzle pieces where you're permitted to sand a little off one edge, cut and trim another while adding a little putty to the next piece, you can pull it all together so it looks pretty damn good."
Jurgens was very clear that while this new Linearverse "is a place where some unique and individual stories can be told," that it also fits within the "larger context of the Omniverse." But close watchers of DC can't also help but wonder what may have been, and whether this approach was once slated to be official DC continuity.
This sounds as if the Linearverse is "just" another Universe. Probably a testing ground.