All About Vaccines

[WestPhillyPunisher]

OMG! Someone falling for the Ivermectin BS. Yes, let us eschew a proven vaccine and take a horse prescription instead, cause we don't know what's in the vaccine! (Even though, we do).
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at the sheer idiocy.

Not to worry, I’ll do the laughing. Said idiocy is well deserved of derision.

[Kirby101]

Our local hospital is replacing ICU Doctors with people who have "done their own research".

[Kyer]

1: That COVID Deaths are over-evaluated due to false positive
tests for the virus –
https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1113.long
2: That only 5% of Deaths had COVID as the only cause -
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

5
3: That COVID has a death rate of less than 1% -
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....14.20062463v2
4: That COVID only marginally affects the youth -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2265901/
5: That COVID has an almost zero percent chance of asymptomatic
transfer - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
6: That COVID has a less than one percent chance of asymptomatic
transfer among individuals living together within the same
household -
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...ullarticle/277
4102
7: How Acute Respiratory Failure Occurs -
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...S2052297520300
24X
8: That FeCov Worsens a Subject’s Clinical Course -
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16322745/
9: That mRNA Vaccines have a chance of causing Heart
Inflammation -
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...m?s_cid=mm7027
e2_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-
DM60791&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-
%20Vol.%2070%2C%20July%206%2C%202021&deliveryName= USCDC_921-
DM60791
10: Mutations in COVID -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7108124/
11: Mutations in COVID [part 2] -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7108196/
12: Dr. Peter Hotez on the unsafe nature of the Vaccine –
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-he...irus-vaccines-
insight/as-pressure-for-coronavirus-vaccine-mounts-scientists-
debate-risks-of-accelerated-testing-idUKKBN20Y1I1
13: Scientist Hilda Bastian on the unsafe nature of the Vaccine
- https://www.wired.com/story/the-astr...covid-vaccine-
data-isnt-up-to-snuff/
14: Former Vice President of Pfizer, Dr. Michael Yeadon on the
unsafe nature of the Vaccine -
https://health.economictimes.indiati...iagnostics/no-
need-for-vaccines-covid-effectively-over-ex-pfizer-vp/79445839
15: Current Pfizer CEO Unable to Say if Vaccine Will Mitigate
COVID Transmission - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-
9018547/Pfizer-CEO-not-certain-covid-shot-prevents-
transmission.html
16: That Adverse Reactions and Deaths due to the Vaccine are
underreported - https://www.icandecide.org/wp-
content/uploads/2020/12/Lazarus-report.pdf
17: Monk Paul of Mount Athos Against the Vaccine -
https://orthodoxethos.com/post/de-my...e-vaccine-for-
corona-virus
18: The Worth in Being Skeptical About the Vaccine -
https://www.deconstructingconvention...-reason-i-won-
t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine
19: Anonymous Exemption Request -
https://miriaf.webs.com/hospital-worker-test-vaccine
20: 99.74% Survivability Rate of COVID -
https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavir...ates-covid-19-
fatality-rate-including-asymptomatic-cases

[Tami]

COVID Pneumonia: How Long Does Recovery Take?

You're likely familiar with the common, mild symptoms of COVID-19 — including fever, dry cough and fatigue.

But, in more severe cases, COVID-19 can also cause serious complications, including pneumonia.

"We still have a lot to learn about COVID-19, particularly about the havoc it can wreak on the lungs and the pneumonia it causes, which is often now called COVID pneumonia," says Dr. Rayman Lee, pulmonologist at Houston Methodist.

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[Kirby101]

1: That COVID Deaths are over-evaluated due to false positive
tests for the virus –
https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1113.long
2: That only 5% of Deaths had COVID as the only cause -
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

5
3: That COVID has a death rate of less than 1% -
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....14.20062463v2
4: That COVID only marginally affects the youth -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2265901/
5: That COVID has an almost zero percent chance of asymptomatic
transfer - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
6: That COVID has a less than one percent chance of asymptomatic
transfer among individuals living together within the same
household -
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...ullarticle/277
4102
7: How Acute Respiratory Failure Occurs -
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...S2052297520300
24X
.........

You should really actually look at the links you put in your posts.

[Tami]

You should really actually look at the links you put in your posts.

In some cases you do need to have some experience is reading and understanding scientific reports in order to realize that they don't say what the poster thinks they are saying.

[Gray Lensman]

In some cases you do need to have some experience is reading and understanding scientific reports in order to realize that they don't say what the poster thinks they are saying.

I checked a few and the conclusions aren't what they are being sold as by the poster.

#12 starts with a conclusion that the risks associated with the vaccines are lower than the risks of not taking them.

#13 is specific to the AstraZeneca vaccine which isn't one of the options in the United States.

[Tami]

I checked a few and the conclusions aren't what they are being sold as by the poster.

#12 starts with a conclusion that the risks associated with the vaccines are lower than the risks of not taking them.

#13 is specific to the AstraZeneca vaccine which isn't one of the options in the United States.

Yeah, like #2. The poster tried to separate out COVID from COVID Pneumonia. COVID Pneumonia is still COVID, only with a more severe complication. You really have to read the data carefully to understand it.

[Kirby101]

Many of them are from early 2020 or before that. As if the science hasn't evolved.

[babyblob]

You should really actually look at the links you put in your posts.

Most people see the headline or the clickbait and do not go beyond.

[Tendrin]

Dude says he did his own research, but he didn't. He found stuff that fit his implicit biases, flattered his vanity, and stoked his fears and called it good. What he's doing is not research, and his ant-vax position is indefensible, asking us to believe his poorly sourced and ill-understood links over the filled hospitals and health care workers dealing with the daily reality of a pandemic that positions like his serve to worsen and prolong.

The rest of us will continue to know what we don't know and not pretend otherwise.

[Vic Vega]

100 doctors and front line nurse in my area of Greater Cincinnati file a law suit against 5 hospitals over the vaccine mandate to prevent the hospitals from enforcing this.

I'm no Lawyer, but I don't see where they have a leg to stand on. Employers have long had the right to terminate employees that endanger the health and safety of their coworkers and mandate policies that promote the health and safety of employees.

The unwilling are going to have to have proof of being Immuno compromised to have a medical excuse or actually be Christian Scientists to have a religious excuse.

[Tendrin]

I'm no Lawyer, but I don't see where they have a leg to stand on. Employers have long had the right to terminate employees that endanger the health and safety of their coworkers and mandate policies that promote the health and safety of employees.

The unwilling are going to have to have proof of being Immuno compromised to have a medical excuse or actually be Christian Scientists to have a religious excuse.

They don't have a leg to stand on, no.

[numberthirty]

1: That COVID Deaths are over-evaluated due to false positive
tests for the virus –
https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1113.long
2: That only 5% of Deaths had COVID as the only cause -
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm


5
3: That COVID has a death rate of less than 1% -
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....14.20062463v2
4: That COVID only marginally affects the youth -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2265901/
5: That COVID has an almost zero percent chance of asymptomatic
transfer - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
6: That COVID has a less than one percent chance of asymptomatic
transfer among individuals living together within the same
household -
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...ullarticle/277
4102
7: How Acute Respiratory Failure Occurs -
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...S2052297520300
24X
8: That FeCov Worsens a Subject’s Clinical Course -
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16322745/
9: That mRNA Vaccines have a chance of causing Heart
Inflammation -
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...m?s_cid=mm7027
e2_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-
DM60791&ACSTrackingLabel=MMWR%20Early%20Release%20-
%20Vol.%2070%2C%20July%206%2C%202021&deliveryName= USCDC_921-
DM60791
10: Mutations in COVID -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7108124/
11: Mutations in COVID [part 2] -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7108196/
12: Dr. Peter Hotez on the unsafe nature of the Vaccine –
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-he...irus-vaccines-
insight/as-pressure-for-coronavirus-vaccine-mounts-scientists-
debate-risks-of-accelerated-testing-idUKKBN20Y1I1
13: Scientist Hilda Bastian on the unsafe nature of the Vaccine
- https://www.wired.com/story/the-astr...covid-vaccine-
data-isnt-up-to-snuff/
14: Former Vice President of Pfizer, Dr. Michael Yeadon on the
unsafe nature of the Vaccine -
https://health.economictimes.indiati...iagnostics/no-
need-for-vaccines-covid-effectively-over-ex-pfizer-vp/79445839
15: Current Pfizer CEO Unable to Say if Vaccine Will Mitigate
COVID Transmission - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-
9018547/Pfizer-CEO-not-certain-covid-shot-prevents-
transmission.html
16: That Adverse Reactions and Deaths due to the Vaccine are
underreported - https://www.icandecide.org/wp-
content/uploads/2020/12/Lazarus-report.pdf
17: Monk Paul of Mount Athos Against the Vaccine -
https://orthodoxethos.com/post/de-my...e-vaccine-for-
corona-virus
18: The Worth in Being Skeptical About the Vaccine -
https://www.deconstructingconvention...-reason-i-won-
t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine
19: Anonymous Exemption Request -
https://miriaf.webs.com/hospital-worker-test-vaccine
20: 99.74% Survivability Rate of COVID -
https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavir...ates-covid-19-
fatality-rate-including-asymptomatic-cases

What is actually interesting is how many of those links go nowhere.

[Scott Taylor]

I checked a few and the conclusions aren't what they are being sold as by the poster.

#12 starts with a conclusion that the risks associated with the vaccines are lower than the risks of not taking them.

#13 is specific to the AstraZeneca vaccine which isn't one of the options in the United States.

Same. I'm glad the poster provided some links, but even a cursory reading through the articles I started to read, you can see that the original big spam post is just picking and choosing parts to cling to and parts to ignore out of most of those articles. And ignoring what they were actually about. Plus many are old and outdated articles, whereas the science has kept moving along. The very first article was from February 2020, for instance, from before the first lockdown was even a twinkle in anyone's eye and its talking about China.

This guy obviously came up with his conclusions first and then cherry-picked his way through a bunch of data to build a discussion to support those conclusions.

Again, being afraid of taking the vaccine is fine. Just please, on behalf of everyone else, if you don't get a vaccine for COVID then please be considerate and wear a mask when you're running around in public. Get a mask that says something like "you're all sheep and this is bullshit!" if it makes you feel better. Rail against the dying of your freedom! Just don't be a dick.