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    Quote Originally Posted by shooshoomanjoe View Post
    The COVID vaxx is still new. It's not like polio was immediately eradicated in the US after the vaccine was introduced. It took about 2 decades.
    Separate issue.

    That it probably won't be as easy as "Declaring Independence From Covid!..."?

    Yeah, I never thought it was going to be as simple as that to start with.

    Doesn't change the reality that this disease can go right through the "Vaccine..." in however many cases.

    Again, if that was even remotely an issue while trying to wipe out Polio?

    They did a pretty great job of keeping it quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    What I am saying is that 10% most likely are getting infected by thec90% who aren't Vax. That 10% is small enough to keep the virus from end the pandemic.
    Even the assumption that it will stay at ten percent feels unfounded when we have that ten percent to prove it's existence.

    What is do we have that points to that the number of "Breakthrough..." cases won't go up as the percentage of folks susceptible to a "Breakthrough..." case increases?

    While it would be nice if worked out that way?

    How many of the assumptions made thus far have panned out?

    Not to say that I don't think that things move in the right direction as more folks get the shot. Just that everything I have seen actually happen thus far feels like it points to this being more complicated than things have been in the past.

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    All of that is before one even takes a second to consider that the protection that the current shots provide will seemingly fade as time goes by.

    Again, don't want to be one big grey cloud.

    Just pointing out that this is bound to be more complicated than when a lone round of the "Classic Coke..." vaccines wiped out Polio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    All of that is before one even takes a second to consider that the protection that the current shots provide will seemingly fade as time goes by.

    Again, don't want to be one big grey cloud.

    Just pointing out that this is bound to be more complicated than when a lone round of the "Classic Coke..." vaccines wiped out Polio.
    The differences is in how these virus are spread. There may be multiple methods of transmission, but Polio and AIDS are examples of transmission by sharing of bodily fluids or ingestion. That type of transmission is less effective than the method used by COVID 19 and Influenza which is primarily through the air.

    Even through all four are highly contagious, the first two can be controlled by controlling the means by which the infection is spread.

    The latter two are harder to control since spread is done simply by breathing or talking or coughing. Those are things that can't be controlled so easily except through isolation or mask wearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    All of that is before one even takes a second to consider that the protection that the current shots provide will seemingly fade as time goes by.

    Again, don't want to be one big grey cloud.

    Just pointing out that this is bound to be more complicated than when a lone round of the "Classic Coke..." vaccines wiped out Polio.
    I did get a booster for the polio vaccine on elementary school. Didn't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainEurope View Post
    I did get a booster for the polio vaccine on elementary school. Didn't you?
    How many have you had since then?

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    Past that, technically?

    It was a "Dose..." and not a "Booster..." It's not a massive difference, but it does exist...

    https://www.utphysicians.com/whats-t...ditional-dose/

    What’s the difference between a booster shot and an additional dose?
    The term “booster” applies to fully vaccinated individuals who have achieved an appropriate protective response to the vaccine, but over time, it has decreased.
    Think about adults who get the Polio vaccine. Near as I can recall, it is three doses total. If you have had any doses up to the total of three, they just give you whatever the remaining doses to get to a total of three would be.

    All that said, kids do get boosters under other circumstances...

    https://time.com/5579675/should-i-ge...-booster-shot/

    Who needs a measles booster shot?

    The vast majority of people who get two doses of the measles vaccine are protected for life and do not need a booster shot, Schaffner says.

    But some people should consider getting re-vaccinated, even if they’ve gotten some form of the vaccine, he says. Those of highest priority are under-vaccinated adults — in other words, those who received only one dose or a less effective early version of the MMR vaccine — who are planning to travel to countries where there are active measles outbreaks, such as Israel, Ukraine and the Philippines; live near active outbreaks in the U.S., such as those in New York, New Jersey, Michigan, California, Maryland and Georgia; or work in health care, Schaffner says.

    “If anybody falls into those categories and they are concerned, the response is very simple,” he says. “Go to your health care provider, including a pharmacy, roll up your sleeves and get a dose of MMR.”

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    Take Tetanus...

    That's a booster.

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2020051219786

    Do adults really need tetanus booster shots?
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends tetanus vaccines for people of all ages. Adolescents and adults receive either the Td or Tdap vaccines. These vaccines protect over 95% of people from disease for approximately 10 years. Currently the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommends a booster shot every 10 years. Injury or wound management and pregnancy may affect this schedule.
    That said, that very article seems to cast some doubt on if the booster is a true "Must..."

    A recent paper published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases suggested that tetanus and diphtheria booster vaccines are not necessary for adults who have completed their childhood vaccination series. This advice aligns with the current World Health Organization (WHO) recommendations. The researchers reviewed WHO data from 31 North American and European countries between 2001 and 2016, amounting to 11 billion person-years. (Person-years is a measurement that reflects the number of people in the study multiplied by years followed). After comparing the incidence of tetanus and diphtheria, they found no significant difference in disease rates in countries that require adults to receive booster shots compared with those that do not. Based on this, the authors suggest that childhood vaccination alone protects sufficiently against tetanus and diphtheria without booster shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    How many have you had since then?
    Why are you answering my question with another question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainEurope View Post
    Why are you answering my question with another question?
    Needed to be asked...

    The Polio vaccine is four doses in children and three doses in adults who are either not vaccinated or not fully vaccinated.

    Once either of those full vaccinations is complete?

    Regular Janes/Joes who will not be going into some very particular circumstances are vaccinated for life.

    Which is the opposite of something like the currently available Covid shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Needed to be asked...

    The Polio vaccine is four doses in children and three doses in adults who are either not vaccinated or not fully vaccinated.

    Once either of those full vaccinations is complete?

    Regular Janes/Joes who will not be going into some very particular circumstances are vaccinated for life.

    Which is the opposite of something like the currently available Covid shots.
    Well, I am glad you googled it and will no longer refer to Polio as a "lone round vaccine". So much false information going around about vaccines, every little bit helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainEurope View Post
    Well, I am glad you googled it and will no longer refer to Polio as a "lone round vaccine". So much false information going around about vaccines, every little bit helps.
    Just to point out the obvious...

    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    All of that is before one even takes a second to consider that the protection that the current shots provide will seemingly fade as time goes by.

    Again, don't want to be one big grey cloud.

    Just pointing out that this is bound to be more complicated than when a lone round of the "Classic Coke..." vaccines wiped out Polio.
    That word in blue is not the word in the quotation marks.

    It was plural in my post because the single pass of multiple vaccines being injected on more than one occasion is a whole that amounts to a person being fully vaccinated against Polio for life.

    No "Booster..." when someone starts school. Just the finishing a round that amounts to a complete single overall lifetime vaccination against Polio that, barring someone finding themselves in a really particular spot, will never need anything past that single round to provide a lifetime of immunity.

    Which, again, is nothing like the currently available Covid shots.

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    Maybe it's that English is not ma first language, but that was a really strange way of putting that both covid and polio take several shots to get under control, but there are differences.

    Also: Polio is hindsight. Did they know how many shots it would take going into it? Or did they learn as they went along?

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    By the way, here is a great resource about the history of the two polio vaccines:


    https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/polio

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainEurope View Post
    Maybe it's that English is not ma first language, but that was a really strange way of putting that both covid and polio take several shots to get under control, but there are differences.

    Also: Polio is hindsight. Did they know how many shots it would take going into it? Or did they learn as they went along?
    As with everything novel, they probably learned as they went along, to a certain extent. Medical Professionals and scientists might have run tests, if they could, but the long term results can only be found though real lie usage and observation.
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