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    The issue starts where we left off in issue 22. The galactic Wakandan memories are restored based to the ancestors' sacrifice and it results in chaos among N'Jadaka forces. N'Jadaka destroys the ships of his own army as some of the Wakandan who memories are restored begin to fight back. He is in a seemingly weakened state due to not being able to control the symbiote and has an internal dialogue with the symbiote essence. With the gate to wakandan prime disabled the Symbiote essence states they will strike the Wakandan empire with the strength of Gods.

    The story shifts back to Wakanda Prime where Tchalla gives a riveting speech ahead of the invasion they are expecting from N'Jadaka and his forces. He honors Nakia's sacrifice and ask if she made the ultimate sacrifice what will they do. It then cuts to Zenzi and Bast having a conversation where Zenzi expresses that N'Jadaka is growing weak due to not being able to properly host the symbiote but Bast reassures her the orisha are never alone.




    Back in Wakanda prime, the Orisha have ominously assembled after T'Challa speech. Shuri believes this to be a sign they are there to support in their fight against the galatic wakandans but Ororo cautions that their silence is not an indication of their favor. It is here that she finally accepts her godhead and states she is a part of the Wakandan Pantheon. Jericho agrees with Storm to be cautious of the Orisha presence.

    The story the transitions to another location in Wakanda where Ramonda and one of he Mages go to the portal that was closed that locked away the original wakandans. The originators are insulted by her presence and Ramonda essential states she cannot undo the past but can offer them another land in the skies as a form of reparation if they agree to help fight against the common threat that will soon invade wakanda.

    The story then shifts back to Ororo and Tchalla. Though Ororo tries to reassure him, he is unsettled by the Orishas presence and believes the wakandans are being setup. Bast appears and she with the help of the Orisha open a portal that allow Njadaka forces to invade Wakanda. The issue ends with the heroes flying towards the portal for the final battle.





    There also is a marvel voices story but I will not discuss this here as it was a separate story.

    This issue was primarily setup for the last arc of Coates' run but I thought both the story and art were beautiful. Coates ability to take real-world issues (such as reparations) and connecting it in a meaningful way into his story is masterfully done. Wherever you may fall on the topic it causes the reader at least to think about these polarizing topics, which is very much purposeful. Also, seeing these black heroes assembled to help tchalla against this common threat was a nice visual seeing we are in Black history month. This issue is a reminder of the strength of tchalla as leader. The interactions felt very much so organic and not robotic. It was refreshing to see. His ability to inspire and to also have enough foresight to see when he is being duped lets us know Coates' are keen on his assets beyond fist and claws. I'm very excited for the next few issues it should be pretty epic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    Black Panther 23 Review

    The issue starts where we left off in issue 22. The galactic Wakandan memories are restored based to the ancestors' sacrifice and it results in chaos among N'Jadaka forces. N'Jadaka destroys the ships if his own army as some of the Wakandan who memories are restored begin to fight back. He is in a seemingly weakened state due to not being able to control the symbiote and has an internal dialogue with the symbiote essence. With the gate to wakandan prime disabled the Symbiote essence states they will strike the Wakandan empire with the strength of God's.

    The story shifts back to Wakanda Prime where Tchalla gives a riveting speech ahead of the invasion they are expecting from N'Jadaka and his forces. He honors Nakia's sacrifice and ask if she make the ultimate sacrifice what will they do. It then cuts to Zenith and Bast having a conversation where Zenzu expresses that N'Jadaka is growing weak do to not being able to properly host the symbiote but Bast reassures her the orisha are never alone.




    Back in Wakanda prime, the Orisha said have assembled after T'Challa speech. Shuri believes this to be a sign they are there to support in their fight against the galatic wakandans but Ororo cautions that their silence is not an indication of their favor. It is here that she finally accepts her godhead and states she is a part of the Wakandan Pantheon. Jericho agrees with Storm to be cautious of the Orisha presence.

    The story the transitions to another location in Wakanda where Ramonda and one of he Mages go to the portal that was closed that locked away the original wakandans. The originators are insulted by her presence and Ramonda essential states she cannot undo the past but can offer them another land in the skies as a form of reparation if they agree to help fight against the common threat that will soon invade wakanda.

    The story then shifts back to Ororo and Tchalla. Though Ororo tries to reassure him, he is unsettled by the Orishas presence and believes the wakandans are being setup. Bast appears and she with the help of the Orisha open a portal that allo Njadaka forces to invade Wakanda. The issue ends with the heroes flying towards the portal for the final battle.





    There also is a marvel voices story but I will not discuss this here as it was a separate story.

    This issue was primarily setup for the last arc of Coates' run but I thought both the story and art were beautiful. Coates ability to take real-world issues (such as reparations) and connecting it in a meaningful way into his story is masterfully done. Wherever you may fall on the topic it causes the reader at least to think about these polarizing topics, which is very much purposeful. Also, seeing these black heroes assembled to help tchalla against this common threat was a nice visual seeing we are in Black history month. This issue is a reminder of the strength of tchalla as leader. The interactions felt very much so organic and not robotic. It was refreshing to see. His ability to inspire and to also have enough foresight to see when he is being duped. I'm very excited for the next few issues it should be pretty epic.
    Even this review didn't DARE show any of that backup art for the same story, as if acuna ran out of time for a long delayed issue. But i will say if you look at the panels posted you just read BP 23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwatson View Post
    Even this review didn't DARE show any of that backup art for the same story, as if acuna ran out of time for a long delayed issue. But i will say if you look at the panels posted you just read BP 23.
    what backup art? I thought the art was beautiful. and I dont get the last part about just reading the issue.
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    Complete trash. Of all the Black Heroes that show up and Coates canít even have Blade, Blue Marvel, or Monica show up? You know? People that were actually his teammates. And once again Coates goes back to the garbage of using African characters as an allegory for white colonization by having Ramonda make a speech to the monsters about ďrestoring their honorĒ. Oh so itís their fault that they got kicked off of their land? Jwatson said in best in the main thread, this whole run was nothing more than an attempt to just humiliate both TíChalla and Wakanda as a whole. But considering that Coates actually wants to write an X-Men character itís just par the course for an X writer (or wannabe X writer in this case).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackClaw View Post
    Complete trash. Of all the Black Heroes that show up and Coates can’t even have Blade, Blue Marvel, or Monica show up? You know? People that were actually his teammates. And once again Coates goes back to the garbage of using African characters as an allegory for white colonization by having Ramonda make a speech to the monsters about “restoring their honor”. Oh so it’s their fault that they got kicked off of their land? Jwatson said in best in the main thread, this whole run was nothing more than an attempt to just humiliate both T’Challa and Wakanda as a whole. But considering that Coates actually wants to write an X-Men character it’s just par the course for an X writer (or wannabe X writer in this case).
    Monica is there at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackClaw View Post
    Complete trash. Of all the Black Heroes that show up and Coates can’t even have Blade, Blue Marvel, or Monica show up? You know? People that were actually his teammates. And once again Coates goes back to the garbage of using African characters as an allegory for white colonization by having Ramonda make a speech to the monsters about “restoring their honor”. Oh so it’s their fault that they got kicked off of their land? Jwatson said in best in the main thread, this whole run was nothing more than an attempt to just humiliate both T’Challa and Wakanda as a whole. But considering that Coates actually wants to write an X-Men character it’s just par the course for an X writer (or wannabe X writer in this case).
    Monica was there and Dr. Voodoo. both powerful black characters in their own right.

    and how is it humiliating wakanda and tchalla? being accountable and trying to make right past aggressions i don't humiliating. in fact its quite the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    Monica was there and Dr. Voodoo. both powerful black characters in their own right.

    and how is it humiliating wakanda and tchalla? being accountable and trying to make right past aggressions i don't humiliating. in fact its quite the opposite.

    It’s humiliating because from day one, Coates couldn’t accept the concept of an African nation being Black excellence incarnate so he goes in rewriting Wakanda being rife with black dysfunction with the most tired ass African stereotypes imaginable (ex: the infamous rape camps). And let’s not forget that he just refuses to T’Challa fight his own damn fights and just has Storm bail him out constantly. It’s very telling that Storm fans have been celebrating this trash while T’Challa fans have been rightfully pissed off because of the simple fact that this isn’t Storms fucking book. Redjack understood this with KIB because in a book with Black Panthers name in the title, it’s clear that the titular character has to get things done and not someone from another franchise. Again, very telling when you compare the Storm fans reactions to that story compared to the reactions of T’Challas fans.

    But then again, that’s partially the fault of the X-Offices for letting writers from different franchises condition y’all into thinking said franchise is where you expect your favorite character to shine instead of the one they originated from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackClaw View Post
    Complete trash. Of all the Black Heroes that show up and Coates canít even have Blade, Blue Marvel, or Monica show up? You know? People that were actually his teammates. And once again Coates goes back to the garbage of using African characters as an allegory for white colonization by having Ramonda make a speech to the monsters about ďrestoring their honorĒ. Oh so itís their fault that they got kicked off of their land? Jwatson said in best in the main thread, this whole run was nothing more than an attempt to just humiliate both TíChalla and Wakanda as a whole. But considering that Coates actually wants to write an X-Men character itís just par the course for an X writer (or wannabe X writer in this case).

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackClaw View Post
    Itís humiliating because from day one, Coates couldnít accept the concept of an African nation being Black excellence incarnate so he goes in rewriting Wakanda being rife with black dysfunction with the most tired ass African stereotypes imaginable (ex: the infamous rape camps). And letís not forget that he just refuses to TíChalla fight his own damn fights and just has Storm bail him out constantly. Itís very telling that Storm fans have been celebrating this trash while TíChalla fans have been rightfully pissed off because of the simple fact that this isnít Storms fucking book. Redjack understood this with KIB because in a book with Black Panthers name in the title, itís clear that the titular character has to get things done and not someone from another franchise. Again, very telling when you compare the Storm fans reactions to that story compared to the reactions of TíChallas fans.

    But then again, thatís partially the fault of the X-Offices for letting writers from different franchises condition yíall into thinking said franchise is where you expect your favorite character to shine instead of the one they originated from.




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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    Black Panther 23 Review




    The issue starts where we left off in issue 22. The galactic Wakandan memories are restored based to the ancestors' sacrifice and it results in chaos among N'Jadaka forces. N'Jadaka destroys the ships of his own army as some of the Wakandan who memories are restored begin to fight back. He is in a seemingly weakened state due to not being able to control the symbiote and has an internal dialogue with the symbiote essence. With the gate to wakandan prime disabled the Symbiote essence states they will strike the Wakandan empire with the strength of Gods.

    The story shifts back to Wakanda Prime where Tchalla gives a riveting speech ahead of the invasion they are expecting from N'Jadaka and his forces. He honors Nakia's sacrifice and ask if she made the ultimate sacrifice what will they do. It then cuts to Zenzi and Bast having a conversation where Zenzi expresses that N'Jadaka is growing weak due to not being able to properly host the symbiote but Bast reassures her the orisha are never alone.




    Back in Wakanda prime, the Orisha have ominously assembled after T'Challa speech. Shuri believes this to be a sign they are there to support in their fight against the galatic wakandans but Ororo cautions that their silence is not an indication of their favor. It is here that she finally accepts her godhead and states she is a part of the Wakandan Pantheon. Jericho agrees with Storm to be cautious of the Orisha presence.

    The story the transitions to another location in Wakanda where Ramonda and one of he Mages go to the portal that was closed that locked away the original wakandans. The originators are insulted by her presence and Ramonda essential states she cannot undo the past but can offer them another land in the skies as a form of reparation if they agree to help fight against the common threat that will soon invade wakanda.

    The story then shifts back to Ororo and Tchalla. Though Ororo tries to reassure him, he is unsettled by the Orishas presence and believes the wakandans are being setup. Bast appears and she with the help of the Orisha open a portal that allow Njadaka forces to invade Wakanda. The issue ends with the heroes flying towards the portal for the final battle.





    There also is a marvel voices story but I will not discuss this here as it was a separate story.

    This issue was primarily setup for the last arc of Coates' run but I thought both the story and art were beautiful. Coates ability to take real-world issues (such as reparations) and connecting it in a meaningful way into his story is masterfully done. Wherever you may fall on the topic it causes the reader at least to think about these polarizing topics, which is very much purposeful. Also, seeing these black heroes assembled to help tchalla against this common threat was a nice visual seeing we are in Black history month. This issue is a reminder of the strength of tchalla as leader. The interactions felt very much so organic and not robotic. It was refreshing to see. His ability to inspire and to also have enough foresight to see when he is being duped lets us know Coates' are keen on his assets beyond fist and claws. I'm very excited for the next few issues it should be pretty epic.
    So TNC has just villified the real native African Gods as villains then makes Storm a Wakandan god.

    Talking about epic insult to Africans ancestral Gods.

    What an epic steampile of cosmic sh*t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    How can you possibly think it's odd of "forced" for Okoye and Shuri to bow to T'Challa when he is their king? It's not like he demanded that they bow to him in that very moment to assert dominance. They did it out of respect because he is their king and they are his subjects. Sure, T'Challa doesn't treat them cruelly because of that as they are his sister and friend respectively but in a matter of national security and war it's about the chain of command and not about playing nice or appearing friendly. Such a weird thing to complain about.

    Also, this issue was just plain boring. More talking and telling, and less doing and showing. This needs to be wrapped up ASAP.
    no what is weird are people complaining that certain characters are not represented in the book when they are. what is weird is people complaining about Storm shining in an issue where she wasn't the focal point. what is weird is how toxic some of these comments are. shuri telling okoye to take her hand off of her and shuri/okoye "obeying" tchalla even amidst a battle is ooc to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    I have to second this I am not going to say I liked Coates run but the fans here are so posioned against him that he could have been the one wrote the KIB solo that Redjack did and they would have hated it.

    On the bright the next writer has super low bar and just about anything they do will be meet with praise for awhile
    agreed. its clear that Coates could have him defeat the one above all and some fans would still complain. seriously when people get upset that blue marvel and spectrum are not in the fight even though they are shown in the scans provided in the op the vitriol some have against his writing is on an astronomical level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Besouro View Post
    So TNC has just villified the real native African Gods as villains then makes Storm a Wakandan god.

    Talking about epic insult to Africans ancestral Gods.

    What an epic steampile of cosmic sh*t.
    gods throughout history are not always benevolent. these gods are not "real" either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    no what is weird are people complaining that certain characters are not represented in the book when they are. what is weird is people complaining about Storm shining in an issue where she wasn't the focal point. what is weird is how toxic some of these comments are. shuri telling okoye to take her hand off of her and shuri/okoye "obeying" tchalla even amidst a battle is ooc to me.
    Shuri is royalty and has that right to say that. Especially in the heat of a battle. Shuri is acting like she is suppose to act. Okoye's feeling don't matter at a time of battle.

    Just like Namor, Doom & Aquaman would have the right to say that to whoever their subjects are.


    Also the preview pages did not show folks like Monica or Blue Marvel. We saw that in the actual book. So for those who do not have that book-they would not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    Shuri is royalty and has that right to say that. Especially in the heat of a battle. Shuri is acting like she is suppose to act. Okoye's feeling don't matter at a time of battle.

    Just like Namor, Doom & Aquaman would have the right to say that to whoever their subjects are.


    Also the preview pages did not show folks like Monica or Blue Marvel. We saw that in the actual book. So for those who do not have that book-they would not know.
    I know she can but it doesn't mean it's in character. The funny thing is she was so offended by her touching her and in a few panels later shuri hands are on Okoye. lol. it simply points to why I thought the interactions between them were cold and rigid

    these fans complained about them not being there after the review thread was posted and that particular image showing those heroes was out well before the issue was even released. there was no valid reason to make that complaint.

    so let's be clear, fans can complain but its obvious some of these complaints are unfounded and that is when expression of said displeasure becomes invalid. the motive is obviously clear at that point why those respective complaints are made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    no what is weird are people complaining that certain characters are not represented in the book when they are. what is weird is people complaining about Storm shining in an issue where she wasn't the focal point. what is weird is how toxic some of these comments are. shuri telling okoye to take her hand off of her and shuri/okoye "obeying" tchalla even amidst a battle is ooc to me.



    agreed. its clear that Coates could have him defeat the one above all and some fans would still complain. seriously when people get upset that blue marvel and spectrum are not in the fight even though they are shown in the scans provided in the op the vitriol some have against his writing is on an astronomical level.



    gods throughout history are not always benevolent. these gods are not "real" either.
    Lol, okay now knock it off! Don't try to build your whole defense on my misstep. Blue Marvel is there...my bad...I'm big boy enough to own up to that, now extend to me the grace you give to Coates as he continues to shat on so much of what was good about T'Challa and BP! Don't be petty, you're better than that. We debate the content here.

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    I didn't see blue Marvel I Saw Monica and the rest

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