Quote Originally Posted by kryptonian View Post
Star Wars was going fine without abrams and episode 7 would have made 2 billion dollars regardless if it was decent


After abrams...it’s an open question whether or not an episode 10 would be anything other than a flop, or that Star Wars is even a viable franchise anymore with a lot of evidence pointing to a massive decline in interest


If you were to openly question episode 7’s box office potential, you would have been declared an idiot

If you say that episode 10 would be a flop regardless of what they do, you would mostly get agreement.


Star Trek was the dead franchise that abrams saved

Star Wars was the sleeping giant that abrams and rian johnson killed


Also...the source of all of the sequel trilogy’s bad ideas can be traced all the way to force awakens, the baby of jj abrams.


This movie might be the first Superman movie to straight up flop rather than underperform, and bury the prospect of another Superman movie for good



Source: Star Wars fan
The only good Star Wars films are A New Hope, Empire and half of Return of the Jedi. Throw Mandalorian in there and then torch the rest. The lion's share of Star Wars is actually pretty bad.

Source: Star Wars fan.

See how anecdotal evidence doesn't mean a damn thing?

Abrams revitalized Star Wars/Trek. Do I think either of his opening films for those IP were great? Absolutely not. They're popcorn entertainment at best and that's fine. Braindead spectacle. Certainly not as bad as the prequels. He's very good at getting a ball rolling, but he should never be the guy to keep it in motion. Abrams did nothing to kill it initially. The Force Awakens was successful and announced with a roar "Star Wars is back," even if it was pretty much just a remake. Yes, the creative visions of Johnson and Abrams and the poor stewarding of the IP by Disney ran it into the ground, but you're putting a lot of the blame on directors here instead of the people who had all the power to say "knock this stupid shit off" and didn't.

So many things went wrong with Star Wars, but it wasn't just Abrams. I say that as someone who considers The Rise of Skywalker as one of the worst movies I've seen in a decade. He was never the right person for the job to conclude it, but trying to make it out like he's the reason the franchise staggered is revisionist history at best. The same can be said for Rian Johnson. Solo and Rogue One are both worse than The Last Jedi. The main issue is that Disney didn't step in and say "don't torpedo everything the last movie built up, we have plans for all that." They just let him do whatever he wanted and it backfired. The IP was mismanaged. This happens all the time.