Don't all of DC's Superman have the same basic origin i.e sent from a dying planet to the Earth?
Regarding Icon, I'm not sure DC can make a movie of Icon without the consent of the Milestone guys.
Race-bent Clark Kent/Kal-El
Existing black Superman (Calvin Ellis, Val Zod etc.)
Completely original character
Don't all of DC's Superman have the same basic origin i.e sent from a dying planet to the Earth?
Regarding Icon, I'm not sure DC can make a movie of Icon without the consent of the Milestone guys.
Question for those more knowledgeable than I: what stories do Val-Zod and Calvin Ellis star in/are known for? I vaguely know Val-Zod is from the New 52 Earth-2 series, but I don't know what role he played there. Similarly, I vaguely remember Calvin debuting in Final Crisis and being one of the leads in Multiversity, but I don't remember anything specific he did in either of those stories.
Yeah, Calvin Ellis. And make it that Earth where there's more diversity and the world is generally a better place. If that proves popular then they expand on it with more characters in that diverse world. And if it's not popular, other Earths are still possible.
I'm cool with either B or C. Calvin Ellis, Val-zod, someone new is fine.
I'm not against Clark being black just the other two feel more creatively interesting.
Clark Kent is who most people think of when they think Superman, white or not.
And Superman's logo is the second most recognizable symbol in the world - second only to the Christian cross. Different cultures have drawn and portrayed Jesus as different races, and we don't view that as unacceptable - even though Jesus holds more meaning to people than Superman does, was likely a real person, and know what his actual ethnicity would have been.
If Jesus can be portrayed as non-white or non-Middle-Eastern by an artist, why can't we have a Clark Kent portrayed as multiple different races?
Last edited by Kaitou D. Kid; 03-01-2021 at 01:03 PM.
Because race isn’t something you can just swap like it’s no big deal. Hell your own example is very contentious, lots of people complain about Jesus’ getting whitewashed. I don’t even want to touch that because that’s a whole other can of worms.
Clark’s upbringing as a kid who grew up in a rural small town Americana setting is going to play out very differently if he’s a race other than white. The story changes, now it’s going to be about racism in some way.
And also? I like the way Clark is. I like him being white. I don’t think that’s something that needs to change. Especially when there are so many other characters out there that could just as easily represent different groups. I certainly am not looking forward to the fighting this is going to bring about what race Superman “should” be on top of all the other nonsense we have to deal with like “is he too overpowered? Is he boring? Is he relevant? Is he a better villain than hero?”. It’s a toxicity baked into the Flash and GL fandoms at this point that will now be a part of my favorite franchise.
Dude no one is going to be going “why is Superman white?” it will be the opposite. This isn’t like GL where most kids only knew the DCAU John Stewart incarnation. Superman has been everywhere: Comics, TV, movies, cartoons, games, people know what he “looks like”. Even as this movie comes out there will still be content coming out where Superman is white.
Last edited by Vordan; 03-01-2021 at 01:10 PM.
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