wanda maximoff going to be the protagonist of the marvel's x-men movie

[CosmiComic]

That's the beauty of Wanda and Pietro. As per Marvel's and Fox's old movie licensing contracts, they were the only characters who were equally X-Men and Avengers characters. Think how extraordinary that was that 2 separate companies could both make movies with the same 2 characters, with all the necessary differences obviously. Marvel then went out of their way to distance them from the mutant world in the comics, and then I feel WandaVision has put the final nail on the coffin on them being mutants and Magneto's children again - however Wanda is still very much a player in the X-books (see Empyre), not to mention mutantkind's greatest enemy as per HOX/POX's data pages. For these reasons I feel she deserves to also be considered an X-character and be discussed on this section of the forums.

Oh, I've heard some SW fans, at least online, feel like her X-Men connection is a detriment to her, due to HoM and No More Mutants

[GenericUsername]

It is a detriment to Wanda. It is not for Pietro. Being a mutant was only a fact about Wanda and barely used in stories. It's had zero impact on her in the six years she's been separate from it.

[GenericUsername]

That's the beauty of Wanda and Pietro. As per Marvel's and Fox's old movie licensing contracts, they were the only characters who were equally X-Men and Avengers characters. Think how extraordinary that was that 2 separate companies could both make movies with the same 2 characters, with all the necessary differences obviously. Marvel then went out of their way to distance them from the mutant world in the comics, and then I feel WandaVision has put the final nail on the coffin on them being mutants and Magneto's children again - however Wanda is still very much a player in the X-books (see Empyre), not to mention mutantkind's greatest enemy as per HOX/POX's data pages. For these reasons I feel she deserves to also be considered an X-character and be discussed on this section of the forums.

She appeared in one issue of Empyre which handled her lore on artifacts very terribly and had Doctor Strange treat her as a magic novice when she's been studying magic since the 70s. She's better off not being in those books.

[king of hybrids]

Didn't he also make her an Avenger?

Considering he is Satan as far as Marvel’s cosmology in concerned, blame Stan?

Maybe she can be part of some X-Men/Avengers co-group in the MCU

I can see them adapting the basic idea of UA as a cartoon some day (when Marvels animation improves) but it would take too long for the MCU

[CosmiComic]

Considering he is Satan as far as Marvel’s cosmology in concerned, blame Stan?

Haha, not sure what you're saying

I can see them adapting the basic idea of UA as a cartoon some day (when Marvels animation improves) but it would take too long for the MCU

maybe a loosely inspired version of the team to show solidarity between Avengers and X-Men

[BroHomo]

Now that being said pretender is Dumb Wanda is a "Sham!!" Pietro = Pretender Wanda = Sham!

Uhhh do you know what Sham means?
:a trick that deludes : HOAX
: cheap falseness : HYPOCRISY
: an ornamental covering for a pillow
an imitation or counterfeit purporting to be genuine
: a person who shams
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sham
On 2nd thought you might be right...

I don't think that's the definition. Knowing is part of pretending

Nope! Not necessarily
Pretender definition...
: one who lays claim to something
: one who makes a false or hypocritical show
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretender

As for No More Mutants, Wanda should be held accountable. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of acting like Magneto's good, when he's far more evil. Plus, the X-Men men persecution business is stale after so long

But um You brought Magneto up! What Trumps Genocide? Maybe to some but the persecution Mutants face is the more realistic aspect of the 616

Simple. They can't defend their argument.Wanda would be no more welcome on Krakoa than the Plauge was in Europe There are just too many who want to see her head mounted on a pike.

Before anyone says anything:

Mags had reasons for his actions.

Wanda is just a Loon.

Trurer posts there are none lol

Wanda in comics was possessed at the time. Loon really isn't a great way of describing people with mental illness. But she did not depower mutants because of that. Her depression could have made her seek out the Life Force to begin with though.

The poster didn't do that he described a fictional character as a Loon. People act like criticizing Wanda's convenient 'mental illness' is equal to pooping directly in their eyes. Despite the fact she suffered this 'mental illness' retroactively and apparently is cured

[GenericUsername]

Uhhh do you know what Sham means?
:a trick that deludes : HOAX
: cheap falseness : HYPOCRISY
: an ornamental covering for a pillow
an imitation or counterfeit purporting to be genuine
: a person who shams
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sham
On 2nd thought you might be right...

Nope! Not necessarily
Pretender definition...
: one who lays claim to something
: one who makes a false or hypocritical show
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretender


But um You brought Magneto up! What Trumps Genocide? Maybe to some but the persecution Mutants face is the more realistic aspect of the 616

Trurer posts there are none lol
The poster didn't do that he described a fictional character as a Loon. People act like criticizing Wanda's convenient 'mental illness' is equal to pooping directly in their eyes. Despite the fact she suffered this 'mental illness' retroactively and apparently is cured

Loon is a derogatory term for someone with a mental illness. It's not pooping in anyone's eyes. It's treating something very real that real life people have in a flippant and insulting way. It's childish and garbage.

[BroHomo]

Loon is a derogatory term for someone with a mental illness. It's not pooping in anyone's eyes. It's treating something very real that real life people have in a flippant and insulting way. It's childish and garbage.

Ehhhh The Pretender almost Genocide-d a group of people calling her a Loon (also a term for an incredibly foolish person) ain't the harshest word that can be used to describe her.

[GenericUsername]

Ehhhh The Pretender almost Genocide-d a group of people calling her a Loon (also a term for an incredibly foolish person) ain't the harshest word that can be used to describe her.

The problem isn't what you consider a fictional character in a fictional story. But how that term treats a very real disorder that affects really real people.

[BroHomo]

The problem isn't what you consider a fictional character in a fictional story. But how that term treats a very real disorder that affects really real people.

Ohhh ok I gotcha

[Jewel Runner]

The X-Men fandoms treatment of Wanda is always very enlightening, in that they'll crucify a character who's wrongdoings were done during a mental breakdown where she wasn't in control of her actions, but they'll jump over every hurdle to tell you how great people like Apocalypse and Magneto are, who have both deliberately committed atrocities in their right mind for years with zero guilt
Or when it comes to characters like Cyclops and his actions in recent years they'll excuse everything he did as bad writing that doesn't fit the character and thus should be ignored but won't extend the same courtesy to Wanda despite that being very much true for her if not more so.
It's all very blatant hypocrisy.

[CosmiComic]

The X-Men fandoms treatment of Wanda is always very enlightening, in that they'll crucify a character who's wrongdoings were done during a mental breakdown where she wasn't in control of her actions, but they'll jump over every hurdle to tell you how great people like Apocalypse and Magneto are, who have both deliberately committed atrocities in their right mind for years with zero guilt
Or when it comes to characters like Cyclops and his actions in recent years they'll excuse everything he did as bad writing that doesn't fit the character and thus should be ignored but won't extend the same courtesy to Wanda despite that being very much true for her if not more so.
It's all very blatant hypocrisy.

It's hard to disagree

[Zelena]

The X-Men fandoms treatment of Wanda is always very enlightening, in that they'll crucify a character who's wrongdoings were done during a mental breakdown where she wasn't in control of her actions, but they'll jump over every hurdle to tell you how great people like Apocalypse and Magneto are, who have both deliberately committed atrocities in their right mind for years with zero guilt
Or when it comes to characters like Cyclops and his actions in recent years they'll excuse everything he did as bad writing that doesn't fit the character and thus should be ignored but won't extend the same courtesy to Wanda despite that being very much true for her if not more so.
It's all very blatant hypocrisy.

Indeed. The question is why.

Apocalypse and Magneto are considered now as a part of the X-men like Cyclops. There’s rationality: they are just fictive characters whose bad actions can be excused and be attribuable to the authors. They belong to the readers.

Wanda is a outsider, an outlet for feelings. Apparently it gives her more reality…

[Ferro]

The X-Men fandoms treatment of Wanda is always very enlightening, in that they'll crucify a character who's wrongdoings were done during a mental breakdown where she wasn't in control of her actions, but they'll jump over every hurdle to tell you how great people like Apocalypse and Magneto are, who have both deliberately committed atrocities in their right mind for years with zero guilt
Or when it comes to characters like Cyclops and his actions in recent years they'll excuse everything he did as bad writing that doesn't fit the character and thus should be ignored but won't extend the same courtesy to Wanda despite that being very much true for her if not more so.
It's all very blatant hypocrisy.

wana was already forgiven with a shitty retcon in her home franchise, we hate wanda because she's a prime mutant antagonist in sheeps clothing.
She's our joffrey, a horrid villain that STILL NEEDS to get some reckoning, some defeat, some pie in her face, some sweet deserts.

Magneto and Apocalypse at the very least have many a panel being dragged trough the floor for said villainous actions, once wnady gets her turn ill be satisfied

[MaximoffTrash]

Yeah, guess again why Wanda fans don't want her in X-franchise?
Just my hot take, Wanda functionally worked for free for X-franchise's "mutant extinction narrative", like she literally gets zero benefit and compensation out of it.
And then X-franchise still loves to milk that hate boner for profit, I think reasonable X-fans will just keep it to themselves and focus on what they like for X-Men franchise, and let Wanda be on her own without the baggage of X-franchise.

Magneto and Apocalypse have their moments of "redemption" because they are bloody X-characters, Wanda got a pass in A-franchise because she is an Avengers character. Really simple.