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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    I mean, it was an insignificant part of King's run. It was just the catalyst for Batman going after KG beast for two issues. I don't think it ever came up again. I don't see why King would have asked for Dick Grayson to lose his memories since it had no bearing on his Batman run
    Because it was easy drama, even if for the moment. A lot of choices and events could be labeled as "insignificant" in the long run from one perspective, but the thing is, the significance lies in the moment. Based on what I gather from King's style, the at-the-moment significance and surprise and shock value/etc. is something that he loves to do for the sake of gravitas and drama for the characters he cares for/stars in what he is writing (Batman/Bruce and Selina Kyle/Catwoman in his Batman run).
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    Nightwing getting shot didn't mean he had to get amnesia. Heck, I don't even recall King's story ever implying Dick had lost his memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lal View Post
    I think King actually said that he planned Dick to have some kind of Vertigo as a result of the shooting, that would prevent him from being Nightwing for some time, and Tim was supposed to fill his shoes and be Nightwing until he got better.

    So not an amnesia arc, but one with Tim as Nightwing.

    Personally, I really couldn't stand the Nightwings, but it's possible that making Tim Nightwing would be even worse. It could have lead to some kind of expectation that one day he would be Nightwing, instead of carving his own niche.
    Making a named character Nightwing (Harper, Damian, Tim) is worse because it instantly makes it a legacy title and Robin's graduation identity, stripping another of Dick's identities and forcing him to, well, do Nightwing again with a different name.

    It works because it blends Superman and Batman, which is unique to Dick Grayson himself. Moreover, it confirms whoever follows in his steps is basically just an inferior version of Dick. Robin was Dick's identity, but it's also Batman's partner. If you go from Robin to Nightwing, congratulations, you're just a pale imitation. He took the name and made it his own for a reason. No other character can or should do so. None have wore it better and that's partially because they weren't features in World's Finest for forty years establishing the connection to DC's two biggest heroes and building that character history to make the taking and repurposing of that mantle so meaningful.

    But Tom King has long since proven continuity and character are secondary to his need to tell a story he has cooked. See: Heroes in Crisis, where he basically had it all written save for the characters he'd use and then just retooled them (not the story, really) to fit his plot. That's pretty piss-poor writing for an IP that is literally following a character. He didn't really care about Dick or the people writing him. He just shot him in the head and had a "wouldn't it be cool if..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    Making a named character Nightwing (Harper, Damian, Tim) is worse because it instantly makes it a legacy title and Robin's graduation identity, stripping another of Dick's identities and forcing him to, well, do Nightwing again with a different name.

    It works because it blends Superman and Batman, which is unique to Dick Grayson himself. Moreover, it confirms whoever follows in his steps is basically just an inferior version of Dick. Robin was Dick's identity, but it's also Batman's partner. If you go from Robin to Nightwing, congratulations, you're just a pale imitation. He took the name and made it his own for a reason. No other character can or should do so. None have wore it better and that's partially because they weren't features in World's Finest for forty years establishing the connection to DC's two biggest heroes and building that character history to make the taking and repurposing of that mantle so meaningful.

    But Tom King has long since proven continuity and character are secondary to his need to tell a story he has cooked. See: Heroes in Crisis, where he basically had it all written save for the characters he'd use and then just retooled them (not the story, really) to fit his plot. That's pretty piss-poor writing for an IP that is literally following a character. He didn't really care about Dick or the people writing him. He just shot him in the head and had a "wouldn't it be cool if..."
    Unless the character is a Kryptonian.... that's different.... more... "Super".

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    Unless the character is a Kryptonian.... that's different.... more... "Super".
    There aren't any that have a better claim to it than Dick does presently. Not Kara, not Chris Kent. No amount of being told "they have a good claim to it" will curb the actual history Dick has with both universes to earn that title. It's his. He was the one who made it special. Let him keep it.
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    you might be interested in this:

    https://bleedingcool.com/comics/how-...or-bookstores/

    DC will publish a Pride-anthology collecting these titles:
    DC Pride #1 (2021)
    Mysteries of Love in Space #1 (2019)
    New Year's Evil #1 (2019)
    Young Monsters in Love #1 (2018)


    DC Pride 2021 Hardcover – April 26, 2022
    DC celebrates Pride with this incredible collection starring fan-favorite LGBTQIA+ characters Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Midnighter, Extraño, Batwoman, Aqualad, Alan Scott, Obsidian, Future State Flash, Renee Montoya, Pied Piper, and many more!
    DC Pride 2021 collects DC Pride #1, Mysteries of Love in Space #1, New Year's Evil #1, Young Monsters in Love #1!
    In DC Pride #1 find the thrilling introduction of new hero DREAMER in the DCU (as seen on The CW's Supergirl), along with a pinup gallery with art by Travis Moore, Kris Anka, Kevin Wada, Sophie Campbell, Nick Robles, and more! Not to mention, six exciting new profiles of DCTV's LGBTQIA+ characters and the actors who play them!
    Mysteries in Love #1 knows that sometimes love can make you feel like you're from another planet…but what if you actually were? Join Superman, The New Gods, Green Lantern, Starro, Hawkgirl and even the Teen Titans' new sensation Crush for eight tales of romance that will whisk you to the moon and back!
    New Years Evil #1 is a holiday special unlike any other…because it's all about the folks on Santa's naughty list! Folks like the Joker, Sinestro, Toyman, Harley Quinn, and even an appearance from that timely rascal the Calendar Man. Come sledding with your favorite villains!
    Young Monsters in Love #1 shows us it's hard being a monster…and even harder being a monster in love. Sparks will fly and hearts will be broken when the ghouls and ghosts of the DC Universe assemble to bring you the Valentine's Day Special that no one saw coming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Invincible Beawulf View Post
    you might be interested in this:

    https://bleedingcool.com/comics/how-...or-bookstores/

    DC will publish a Pride-anthology collecting these titles:
    DC Pride #1 (2021)
    Mysteries of Love in Space #1 (2019)
    New Year's Evil #1 (2019)
    Young Monsters in Love #1 (2018)


    DC Pride 2021 Hardcover – April 26, 2022
    DC celebrates Pride with this incredible collection starring fan-favorite LGBTQIA+ characters Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, Midnighter, Extraño, Batwoman, Aqualad, Alan Scott, Obsidian, Future State Flash, Renee Montoya, Pied Piper, and many more!
    DC Pride 2021 collects DC Pride #1, Mysteries of Love in Space #1, New Year's Evil #1, Young Monsters in Love #1!
    In DC Pride #1 find the thrilling introduction of new hero DREAMER in the DCU (as seen on The CW's Supergirl), along with a pinup gallery with art by Travis Moore, Kris Anka, Kevin Wada, Sophie Campbell, Nick Robles, and more! Not to mention, six exciting new profiles of DCTV's LGBTQIA+ characters and the actors who play them!
    Mysteries in Love #1 knows that sometimes love can make you feel like you're from another planet…but what if you actually were? Join Superman, The New Gods, Green Lantern, Starro, Hawkgirl and even the Teen Titans' new sensation Crush for eight tales of romance that will whisk you to the moon and back!
    New Years Evil #1 is a holiday special unlike any other…because it's all about the folks on Santa's naughty list! Folks like the Joker, Sinestro, Toyman, Harley Quinn, and even an appearance from that timely rascal the Calendar Man. Come sledding with your favorite villains!
    Young Monsters in Love #1 shows us it's hard being a monster…and even harder being a monster in love. Sparks will fly and hearts will be broken when the ghouls and ghosts of the DC Universe assemble to bring you the Valentine's Day Special that no one saw coming!
    I'm not sure if I should be laughing or crying that a collection called "DC Pride" will mostly be about straight people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psy-lock View Post
    I'm not sure if I should be laughing or crying that a collection called "DC Pride" will mostly be about straight people
    I was thinking that too. This couldn't be more tonedeaf.
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    It's certainly telling that there's not enough material to collect for a whole trade focusing on LGBT+ people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchboy View Post
    It's certainly telling that there's not enough material to collect for a whole trade focusing on LGBT+ people.
    I don’t know about that. Gotham women alone could provide more than enough.

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    It seems more like a DC Romance trade than a DC Pride collection.

    They have enough material to fill a whole collection on actual LGBT+ characters so I don't think that's the problem.

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    Yeah, this collection is not really LGBTQ+ focused...

    Mysteries of Love in Space: 8 stories - 1 story is about Crush
    New Year's Evil: 10 stories - there's 1 story about Harley & another 1 about Poison Ivy
    Young Monsters in Love: 10 stories - 1 story is about Monsieur Mallah & the Brain
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Invincible Beawulf View Post
    Yeah, this collection is not really LGBTQ+ focused...

    Mysteries of Love in Space: 8 stories - 1 story is about Crush
    New Year's Evil: 10 stories - there's 1 story about Harley & another 1 about Poison Ivy
    Young Monsters in Love: 10 stories - 1 story is about Monsieur Mallah & the Brain
    It's a cash grab like those BoP themed rereleases of graphic novels with art of the actresses on the cover. If you were hoping for a black Black Canary-- whoops! She's white everywhere inside, but thanks for the money!

    Calling this a pride anthology seems intellectually dishonest if I'm being polite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robanker View Post
    It's a cash grab like those BoP themed rereleases of graphic novels with art of the actresses on the cover. If you were hoping for a black Black Canary-- whoops! She's white everywhere inside, but thanks for the money!

    Calling this a pride anthology seems intellectually dishonest if I'm being polite.
    Yeah, I won't be polite. That's some disingenuous bullshit right there.

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    A Midnighter omnibus will be published next year!!!

    Midnighter: The Complete Collection

    Steve Orlando, ACO; 24 May 2022, 360 pages

    Meet the man who can predict your every move…but no one can predict what he'll do next! When a theft at the God Garden unleashes a wave of dangerous biotech weapons on the world, Midnighter intends to put that genie back in the bottle. But something else is stolen as well…the secret history of Lucas Trent, the man Midnighter once was. And how does this lead to Midnighter being put right in the sights of the Suicide Squad? And no Midnighter collection would be complete without Apollo! Together again after too long apart, Midnighter and Apollo take on subway pirates and demons…but their reunion takes a shocking turn that sends them on an epic journey!
    Collects DC Sneak Peek: Midnighter #1, Midnighter #1-12, Midnighter and Apollo #1-6.
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