Poison Ivy isn't a villain

[OopsIdiditagain]

Nyssa was depicted as a full on villain in Gotham and Talia was irredeemably evil in The Dark Knight Rises and Batman: Bad Blood. DC has also frequently made male villains sympathetic or even heroic like Bane, Catman, Deadshot, Deathstroke and Black Adam. There are also hot female villains that remain evil like Cheshire.

Cheshire is a classic dragon lady her remaining evil has less to do with her actions than conforming to a stereotype. Poison Ivy has done things more devastating than Cheshire but people will still paint her as heroic.

[prepmaster]

Terrorists always think they are on the side of good though.

That's what makes Ivy a fascinating character. She's deranged, and is willing to commit murder to save mother earth.

She would be the one to argue with you that the more extreme the methods are, the quicker you can attain your noble goal. Thats what makes her compelling.

[John Venus]

Cheshire is a classic dragon lady her remaining evil has less to do with her actions than conforming to a stereotype. Poison Ivy has done things more devastating than Cheshire but people will still paint her as heroic.

What has Ivy done that's more devastating than blowing up a country and committing whole sale genocide?

[prepmaster]

What has Ivy done that's more devastating than blowing up a country and committing whole sale genocide?

Attempted genocide and putting the whole planet's population under mind control. I mean who knows what would happen if she had been more commited to her plans? Like if she had gone through with the mind controlling thing, one day she would be like "screw it just kill them all" lol.

[OopsIdiditagain]

What has Ivy done that's more devastating than blowing up a country and committing whole sale genocide?

Cheshire Cat is an assassin who targets individuals. Poison Ivy attacks entire populations. Both hurt people though.

[marhawkman]

Cheshire Cat is an assassin who targets individuals. Poison Ivy attacks entire populations. Both hurt people though.

Yeah when you don't have the power to demolish entire cities with your powers it take a while to rack up a body count. Ivy... Ivy's powers can rack up body counts FAST when she's trying. Cheshire doesn't have that kind of power.

[HsssH]

So she ain't villain because she is not trying very hard?

[Nite-Wing]

Cheshire Cat is an assassin who targets individuals. Poison Ivy attacks entire populations. Both hurt people though.

If a Hurricane demolishes an entire city who is at fault the hurricane or the people who chose to stay in their homes and ride it out?
Ivy is basically a force of nature, She isn't a petty assassin like Cheshire

[Rac7d*]

Ivy is not about humanity so writing her as hero means erasing the plant part of herself

[Frontier]

If a Hurricane demolishes an entire city who is at fault the hurricane or the people who chose to stay in their homes and ride it out?
Ivy is basically a force of nature, She isn't a petty assassin like Cheshire

She's a human force of nature. She actually has a will and identity, and can make a choice to do what she does, so you can't really write her off as a natural disaster.

[Tzigone]

She's a human force of nature. She actually has a will and identity, and can make a choice to do what she does, so you can't really write her off as a natural disaster.

This is absolutely correct.

I suppose you could equate her to the god who smites/cities people for refusing to obey his will, but in that case I can (and do) fault the god.

[mathew101281]

She is your classic “just motive,” “evil method,” type character. It isn’t what she believes that makes her evil it’s how she carries out those beliefs.

[Gaius]

If a Hurricane demolishes an entire city who is at fault the hurricane or the people who chose to stay in their homes and ride it out?
Ivy is basically a force of nature, She isn't a petty assassin like Cheshire

...Hurricanes aren't sentient.

This like those people who blame hurricanes or earthquakes on gay people.

[Nite-Wing]

...Hurricanes aren't sentient.

This like those people who blame hurricanes or earthquakes on gay people.

No but what I'm saying is that characters like Ivy and Swamp Thing are not really doing anything evil

They are simply acting out the will of nature. They have their own sentience but the planet and the environment have a greater voice that needs to be respected
The hurricane or a flood would be natural disasters that human's can ignore. To avoid Ivy's ire would be to have better environmental practices and maybe not destroy the planet

[Mistah K88]

If a Hurricane demolishes an entire city who is at fault the hurricane or the people who chose to stay in their homes and ride it out?
Ivy is basically a force of nature, She isn't a petty assassin like Cheshire

Hurricanes definitely pick and choose those cities and only target the people they perceive as evil right? They definitely skip over the innocent children... If she was really a force of nature, she wouldn't discriminate PERIOD.

I've said it before, but to justify Ivy's methods everyone that she goes after have to be written like a Captain Planet villain (where their sole purpose is to pollute for evil).