Zack Snyder's Justice League *SPOILERS*

[The Cool Thatguy]

This is either disingenuous or you have this problem with most CBMs. I don't know why you bring it up here. I hope you had this complaint with the last 2 Avengers movies, too. .

In the first two movies, there were civilians aplenty.

In the last two, they weren't really needed, but they were acknowledged and addressed.

Infinity War had Tony head off into space to keep the devastation. We didn't need civilian reaction shots to convey the threat, because we had 4 pre-existing characters die, and half the universe at the climax, including much of the cast which the audience SAW. And while there weren't civilians, strictly speaking, we did have the Wakanda army to escalate tension. It opened with Thanos' forces standing over slaughtered civilians and ended with his victory. And we SAW the impact of Thanos' win.

In Endgame, we didn't need civilians because the threat had already been established, and the stakes established. And again, we SAW the effect of the Snap being undone at the climax with Cap.

So those are not a fair comparison to Justice League by any measure. Just sayin'.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Except people do live there and there are some interesting documentaries on them.

Plus, it's not like that's the only place we humans have nuked on the planet. If they set it on some atoll in the ocean, we mighta had a cool scene of sharks eating parademons (and yes, they could have gotten civilians there too).

[basbash99]

So... the JL saving the kidnapped STARlab employees doesn't count as "saving civilians onscreen?

Wonder woman saving the field trip kids doesn't count?

Flash saving Iris doesn't count?

Aquaman saving the dude who's ship went down doesn't count?

Cyborg saving the cop from being fried by Superman's heat vision doesn't count?

Or how about Cyborg helping out the woman who was broke by dropping 100 grand into her account?

I mean really the only "civilian's saved" that were present in the Whedon version and not this were
1. rando russian family - which felt totally shoehorned in and i'm not sure anyone really cared one whit about them. also this was seemingly inserted to explain why Flash wasn't involved in the battle against Steppenwolf (as we see in the snyder version, he's busy building up to near light speed to generate sufficient charge)

2. the apartment complex Superman saves... but since we don't see any people there i'm not sure it counts any more than "saving the whole planet" does in both movies. and also seemingly there just to emphasize how the rest of the league is completely unnecessary when Superman is around - he can save the civilians, beat down Steppenwolf AND prevent the unity because he's just so great

[The Cool Thatguy]

So... the JL saving the kidnapped STARlab employees doesn't count as "saving civilians onscreen?

Wonder woman saving the field trip kids doesn't count?

Flash saving Iris doesn't count?

Aquaman saving the dude who's ship went down doesn't count?

Cyborg saving the cop from being fried by Superman's heat vision doesn't count?

I mean really the only "civilian's saved" that were present in the Whedon version and not this were
1. rando russian family - which felt totally shoehorned in and i'm not sure anyone really cared one whit about them. also this was seemingly inserted to explain why Flash wasn't involved in the battle against Steppenwolf (as we see in the snyder version, he's busy building up to near light speed to generate sufficient charge)

2. the apartment complex Superman saves... but since we don't see any people there i'm not sure it counts any more than "saving the whole planet" does in both movies. and also seemingly there just to emphasize how the rest of the league is completely unnecessary when Superman is around - he can save the civilians, beat down Steppenwolf AND prevent the unity because he's just so great

I meant civilians reacting to the climax.

'Wolf is about to destroy the world, terraform it etc etc and no one besides the cast sees it or is in any immediate danger.

If the heroes save the world in the woods and no one sees it...it kinda falls flat.

[HsssH]

They didn't save any civilians where there were none. Wow.

[Lightning Rider]

I meant civilians reacting to the climax.

'Wolf is about to destroy the world, terraform it etc etc and no one besides the cast sees it or is in any immediate danger.

If the heroes save the world in the woods and no one sees it...it kinda falls flat.

So for any global threat, you need something like this every time?



For me this feeling was accomplished with the Amazons. They're not civilians but they felt the full brunt of Steppenwolf's invasion, experienced personal loss & sacrifice, and were desperate to warn Diana.

I don't need an audience there every time to feel the impact. Flash having that quiet, introspective, brave moment to himself when the stakes were at their highest was far more moving to me than an anonymous civilian.

[The Cool Thatguy]

So for any global threat, you need something like this every time?



For me this feeling was accomplished with the Amazons. They're not civilians but they felt the full brunt of Steppenwolf's invasion, experienced personal loss & sacrifice, and were desperate to warn Diana.

I don't need an audience there every time to feel the impact. Flash having that quiet, introspective, brave moment to himself when the stakes were at their highest was far more moving to me than an anonymous civilian.

It helps, yes. You're right, I don't need to see that every time, but I thought it was needed here, when literally every character was probably gonna get their own sequel movie.

They didn't save any civilians where there were none. Wow.

You seem to think that was how it had to be, instead of an artistic choice by the director. Why is that?

[Rev9]

So... the JL saving the kidnapped STARlab employees doesn't count as "saving civilians onscreen?

Wonder woman saving the field trip kids doesn't count?

Flash saving Iris doesn't count?

Aquaman saving the dude who's ship went down doesn't count?

Cyborg saving the cop from being fried by Superman's heat vision doesn't count?

I mean really the only "civilian's saved" that were present in the Whedon version and not this were
1. rando russian family - which felt totally shoehorned in and i'm not sure anyone really cared one whit about them. also this was seemingly inserted to explain why Flash wasn't involved in the battle against Steppenwolf (as we see in the snyder version, he's busy building up to near light speed to generate sufficient charge)

2. the apartment complex Superman saves... but since we don't see any people there i'm not sure it counts any more than "saving the whole planet" does in both movies. and also seemingly there just to emphasize how the rest of the league is completely unnecessary when Superman is around - he can save the civilians, beat down Steppenwolf AND prevent the unity because he's just so great

The truth right here!!

[Rev9]

It helps, yes. You're right, I don't need to see that every time, but I thought it was needed here, when literally every character was probably gonna get their own sequel movie.




You seem to think that was how it had to be, instead of an artistic choice by the director. Why is that?

While it may be an artistic choice it is understandable because every single member had a very particular assignment to stop the unity.Saving civilians while Flash needs to build up the charge, Batman needs to draw parademon fire,WW and AQ need to keep SWolf occupied and Cyborg needs to split the motherboxes is impractical,nigh impossible.With the blast radius vapourising everyone, the focus would still be to stop the unity not evacuating or anything like that.They were very short on time.

[The Cool Thatguy]

While it may be an artistic choice it is understandable because every single member had a very particular assignment to stop the unity.Saving civilians while Flash needs to build up the charge, Batman needs to draw parademon fire,WW and AQ need to keep SWolf occupied and Cyborg needs to split the motherboxes is impractical,nigh impossible.With the blast radius vapourising everyone, the focus would still be to stop the unity not evacuating or anything like that.They were very short on time.

So you're saying that there might have been tension between saving civilians and saving the world. Hmm, can't have that!

[Rev9]

So you're saying that there might have been tension between saving civilians and saving the world. Hmm, can't have that!

What is the use of saving a hundred civilians, when you know by saving them you will lead to ALL humanity dying-because of poor prioritising? Do you want the league to be that inept?

[The Cool Thatguy]

What is the use of saving a hundred civilians, when you know by saving them you will lead to ALL humanity dying-because of poor prioritising? Do you want the league to be that inept?

...right, heroes should be cold hearted machines. My bad.

[Rev9]

...right, heroes should be cold hearted machines. My bad.

It's not being cold hearted, it is making a tough but right choice, just like Superman made in MoS.

[The Cool Thatguy]

It's not being cold hearted, it is making a tough but right choice, just like Superman made in MoS.

That was mainly disaster porn with Superman thrown in. And he at least had the excuse of being a single guy against a powerful army.

I want heroes to be heroes. I know that's not 'realism', but hey...

[SiegePerilous02]

What is the use of saving a hundred civilians, when you know by saving them you will lead to ALL humanity dying-because of poor prioritising? Do you want the league to be that inept?

The Justice League is usually capable of saving civilians in the immediate vicinities (as many as they can) while also saving all of humanity from dying. So they can't be said to have poor prioritizing or be inept. They exist to do the impossible, and get it done.

But if Snyder didn't want to do that, I think lacking any civilians in the area for his story was the right call to make. it's better than having the civilians getting stomped all over while the heroes ignore them for the greater good.