What do you think of Hickmans X-Men so far, still Interested or Not ??

[Hizashi]

That's dark. I think people forget mutants can give birth to humans. I honestly feel that is the best way to finally address the issue when it comes up on Krakoa. I just don't think anyone is in a rush to get there. I actually feel like it would be a cop out to say humanity simply stops existing as they were because in life someone is always left behind. And even in terms of the marvel universe even by 2099 if it were to happen humans should still be being born unless they purposely try to breed them out which would be dark and just wrong imo.

But then i guess it has been addressed in the swense shogo is human so it's evident mutants don't hate humans so that's what makes it different. With Kyle and shogo there it's not like mutants want to actively get rid of humans or even hate them so... yeah

and now really thinking about it even if in universe can people really say the avengers are friends with mutants. I'm really trying to think now and i've seen Cap visit tchalla, show up to help same with carol and tony, all in their own books but aside from the she hulk scene with logan and pretty much only scenes with logan i can't think of a scene where these heroes went and checked in on their "friends"

Scott and the Champions I think was one?

[jwatson]

Yes they did. the marauders showed up and helped them and RiRi was smitten with Storm. That is definitely an example of it being done right All i'm saying is when these directives come down it would be nice for all the books to follow it, especially when it is coming from the company. It's on the writer to figure out how to make cap look good in a world where mutants are being gassed and imo it should have been easy. I can't imagine a TRUE cap fan not wanting to write that story and make him a hero. I can be literal sometimes and one of the worst things a comic can do for me is break it's on universal law. I don't care about canon so much. But if i'm suppose to believe at the same time mutants are being gassed in extraordinary inhumans are opening a casino. I'm am going to feel some kind of way. especially when these books release in the same day or within a week of each other. None of those stories i read at the time couldn't fit into the parameter the company set up and i would argue if they did they would have been better stories and you never had to see a single main line xmen. thor, cap, iron man, it' surprising to me at this point they don't have their circle of mutants.

I figure ironman would love a technopath.

If you think about it only BP has a current mutant ally and Ewing respected that in Sword so it's not that the x-books aren't respecting what the main line is doing. It's just not there. Why?

[Hizashi]

Yes they did. the marauders showed up and helped them and RiRi was smitten with Storm. That is definitely an example of it being done right All i'm saying is when these directives come down it would be nice for all the books to follow it, especially when it is coming from the company. It's on the writer to figure out how to make cap look good in a world where mutants are being gassed and imo it should have been easy. I can't imagine a TRUE cap fan not wanting to write that story and make him a hero. I can be literal sometimes and one of the worst things a comic can do for me is break it's on universal law. I don't care about canon so much. But if i'm suppose to believe at the same time mutants are being gassed in extraordinary inhumans are opening a casino. I'm am going to feel some kind of way. especially when these books release in the same day or within a week of each other. None of those stories i read at the time couldn't fit into the parameter the company set up and i would argue if they did they would have been better stories and you never had to see a single main line xmen. thor, cap, iron man, it' surprising to me at this point they don't have their circle of mutants.

I figure ironman would love a technopath.

I agree with you completely here, and I would love to see your vision come to fruition. There doesn't need to be a strict adherence to a rigid plan but some semblance of cohesion would go a long way and make it difficult for readers, like me, not to pick up multiple books.

I think canonicity and internal logic go hand-in-hand, even if not always.

[jwatson]

I agree with you completely here, and I would love to see your vision come to fruition. There doesn't need to be a strict adherence to a rigid plan but some semblance of cohesion would go a long way and make it difficult for readers, like me, not to pick up multiple books.

I think canonicity and internal logic go hand-in-hand, even if not always.

Exactly my point. I pick up books on both sides and understand why imo each side doesn't sample the other and that's on how the narrative of a shared universe is told. If you just want to hire writers to do their thing than cool but if you want to call it a shared universe you have to respect the rules you lay down, you can't ignore them because then the two sides are literally living in different worlds.

[Brian B]

The same "allies" who have been watching the mutants face genocide after genocide for decades lol I swear you guys are so funny.

The only mutant genocide seen in Marvel Comics not in an “alternate” timeline, but in the proper “616,” was caused by Xavier’s unborn, evil twin sister.

House of M events depowered mutants. It wasn’t even a fictional genocide. And it was caused by a mutant.

The Morlock “Mutant Massacre” was the equivalent of a pogrom, but not a genocide. It wasn’t that big.

Even the main instrument used against the mutants in the Marvel universe, the Sentinels, have at times been controlled and manufactured by mutants.

I think Hickman should have concentrated on general prejudice against mutants and on Moira’s past lives, not past writer’s mistakes like the Morrison X-Men run.

[Hizashi]

Exactly my point. I pick up books on both sides and understand why imo each side doesn't sample the other and that's on how the narrative of a shared universe is told. If you just want to hire writers to do their thing than cool but if you want to call it a shared universe you have to respect the rules you lay down, you can't ignore them because then the two sides are literally living in different worlds.

I think the last Marvel book I picked up that wasn't an X-Book was Occupy Avengers? I also keep meaning to get Daredevil...

I'm definitely an X-fan primarily, but I'd like to be able to pick up some other Marvel books. Most of my pull list is DC.

[gonnagiveittoya]

Nah the Pretender ain't on KraKoa

No but one of the people who was behind the Holocaust is now at the heart of their government. Too bad all his victims can't get revived by a lotus eater machine. Especially since the depowered mutants were still alive till they got pushed into the Krakoa child killing woodchipper.

[jwatson]

I think the last Marvel book I picked up that wasn't an X-Book was Occupy Avengers? I also keep meaning to get Daredevil...

I'm definitely an X-fan primarily, but I'd like to be able to pick up some other Marvel books. Most of my pull list is DC.

She hulk solo was pretty good with the therapy sessions about fear and her death due to Thanos.
Scarlet witch and her journey down witch's road was a good read.

What really surprised me was Ewing black bolt book with him in prison. I hope the little girl who helped him and has physic powers is explored fully.


I was picking up FF but I know if only in my mind they turned away the olive branch with the Franklyn change turned me off. In my mind he is using your character so you can get the inside scoop and work it into the FF. But oh well.

I loved Jason Aron Thor run hit I'm still trying to figure out what happened to him since. The first 19 issues of his avengers was good though a lot of people don't like super strong Jen I loved where I thought he was going with even though she sounded simple she was as smart as Jenn and he was about to say something but that went left.

The man-thing avengers was actually really good and features Hickman's holdrecoulture and adds a new member to the family

I really only follow super girl and wonder woman at DC and that was due to Orlando and his voice on them. I did read Namoi though it was hit and miss. Redjack green lantern is my first foray into green lantern. liked the first issue a lot.

But yeah my x-books come first.

Oh and how could i forget immortal hulk. that book is on point i could imagine it being done as horror. The art is good too. Ewing writes one hell of a hulk.

[Rang10]

The only mutant genocide seen in Marvel Comics not in an “alternate” timeline, but in the proper “616,” was caused by Xavier’s unborn, evil twin sister.

House of M events depowered mutants. It wasn’t even a fictional genocide. And it was caused by a mutant.

The Morlock “Mutant Massacre” was the equivalent of a pogrom, but not a genocide. It wasn’t that big.

Even the main instrument used against the mutants in the Marvel universe, the Sentinels, have at times been controlled and manufactured by mutants.

I think Hickman should have concentrated on general prejudice against mutants and on Moira’s past lives, not past writer’s mistakes like the Morrison X-Men run.

That is the funny thing about the genocide it was commited by Mutants or almost being very close to mutants. It's not like there was time for anyone help, it was really fast. IDK what people expect the avengers to do.

Mutant on mutant violence is really big on Marvel universe

I think the last Marvel book I picked up that wasn't an X-Book was Occupy Avengers? I also keep meaning to get Daredevil...

I'm definitely an X-fan primarily, but I'd like to be able to pick up some other Marvel books. Most of my pull list is DC.

You can pick up them on LCS, Amazon site or even the library

[Hizashi]

She hulk solo was pretty good with the therapy sessions about fear and her death due to Thanos.
Scarlet witch and her journey down witch's road was a good read.

What really surprised me was Ewing black bolt book with him in prison. I hope the little girl who helped him and has physic powers is explored fully.


I was picking up FF but I know if only in my mind they turned away the olive branch with the Franklyn change turned me off. In my mind he is using your character so you can get the inside scoop and work it into the FF. But oh well.

I loved Jason Aron Thor run hit I'm still trying to figure out what happened to him since. The first 19 issues of his avengers was good though a lot of people don't like super strong Jen I loved where I thought he was going with even though she sounded simple she was as smart as Jenn and he was about to say something but that went left.

The man-thing avengers was actually really good and features Hickman's holdrecoulture and adds a new member to the family

I really only follow super girl and wonder woman at DC and that was due to Orlando and his voice on them. I did read Namoi though it was hit and miss. Redjack green lantern is my first foray into green lantern. liked the first issue a lot.

But yeah my x-books come first.

Oh and how could i forget immortal hulk. that book is on point i could imagine it being done as horror. The art is good too. Ewing writes one hell of a hulk.

Only the first arc of Jason Aaron's Thor was great, everything else was varying degrees of quality (IMO). Nothing about his Avengers seems enticing to me...

I'm picking up several DC books, I think I like the general tone of their books, kinda like comfort food. Action, Superman, Detective, Batman, Joker, Nightwing, Robin, Green Lantern.

I'm an X-fan foremost at Marvel, I have money, but they don't seem to want it.

[Hizashi]

You can pick up them on LCS, Amazon site or even the library

Oh, I know, I just would rather have hardcovers. When the books initially release they don't interest me but then after the fact I regret not getting into them.

[BroHomo]

The only mutant genocide seen in Marvel Comics not in an “alternate” timeline, but in the proper “616,” was caused by Xavier’s unborn, evil twin sister.

Annnd Sentinels
Which created by Bolivar Trask
How many Mutants have all the various Sentinels over time kill?

House of M events depowered mutants. It wasn’t even a fictional genocide. And it was caused by a mutant.

Well all this is just plain wrong/untrue

The Morlock “Mutant Massacre” was the equivalent of a pogrom, but not a genocide. It wasn’t that big.

Genocides aren't defined by the population of the victims

Even the main instrument used against the mutants in the Marvel universe, the Sentinels, have at times been controlled and manufactured by mutants.

Annnd?

I think Hickman should have concentrated on general prejudice against mutants and on Moira’s past lives, not past writer’s mistakes like the Morrison X-Men run.

Noted

No but one of the people who was behind the Holocaust is now at the heart of their government.

Oh kinda like Argentina or Russia or England or America? Sinister wasn't in the planning of the Holocaust but def participated. When he was human. But now he's a Mutant

Too bad all his victims can't get revived by a lotus eater machine. Especially since the depowered mutants were still alive till they got pushed into the Krakoa child killing woodchipper.

lol jeez what books do you (seemingly) not read?
[QUOTE=Rang10;5491507]
That is the funny thing about the genocide it was commited by Mutants or almost being very close to mutants.
Hmmm Fact check....
Morlock Massacre?
Sinister--Not a Mutant (at the time)
Genosha?
Cassandra Nova--Not a Mutant
M-Day?
The Pretender--Not a Mutant
T-Cloud?
Inhumans (inadvertently)--Not a Mutant

It's not like there was time for anyone help, it was really fast. IDK what people expect the avengers to do.

I mean that cloud was moving preeeetty slow

Mutant on mutant violence is really big on Marvel universe

Not as prolific as Human on Mutant violence or Human on Human
lol

[Anthony Shaw]

Yeah, they don't need to take over and co-opt the storyline, but it would have been nice to see the heroes concerned with this.

Marvel shot themselves in the face when they called out this problem in-universe, they couldn't handwave it anymore.

Yes, why blame the characters when the true fault lies with the creative forces behind the books?

Speaking of the mutant massacre, it was Destiny who advised Mystique to leave the tunnels. Freedom Force could have helped their fellow mutants, but bailed.

Thor was in the tunnels, battled the Marauders, saved Angel, and gave the slain Morlocks a Viking funeral. Leaving the dead bodies would have caused a health hazard.

Also, Thor has known the O5 since they were kids.





The Avengers also gave up their UN status to help out in Genosha.



It was the Avengers that destroyed the Mark II Sentinels.

The Avengers have legit history of being sympathetic towards the struggles of mutants.

When the X-Men were on reprint only status, the mutant saga was continued in various Marvel books.

I think the issue is creators being too territorial with characters & stories which gives the appearance of one franchise being apathetic with another.

Captain America can endorse tolerance for mutants all the live long day, and that will not stop forces from conspiring against them. Captain America & the FF have publicly endorsed Spider-Man, yet he has been historically viewed with suspicion (although it has been years since I read Spidey).

[gonnagiveittoya]

Oh kinda like Argentina or Russia or England or America? Sinister wasn't in the planning of the Holocaust but def participated. When he was human. But now he's a Mutant

I can't think of anything in operation paperclip where a Nazi was made into a major position in the higher US government like Attorney General or Secretary of State.

[ExodusCloak]

I'm pretty sure the destruction of a culture and placing a magical lock on procreation with the goal bring "No more mutants" forfilles at least three of the definitions of a genocide.

Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

As for Sinister they need him (for now) but you can see they don't like him given they sent him to his death already as well as Emmas comments to Havok about him. I see him being redundant once they borrow his equivalent from Arrakoa