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    Most have kids escort missions so they're meant for kids.
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    Well, not little kids ... what with the Force neck-snapping and such ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tofali View Post
    you really think Qui-Gon mentorship would have change anything? the man didn't even realize that leaving Shmi indentured would adversely affect Anakin. Anakin seemed too messed already and Qui-Gon aversion of structure would have messed up that boy's upbringing even more IMHO. I'm surprised with how Obi-Wan turned out for having Qui-Gon as his Master.
    Qui-Gon seemed a bit more unorthodox while Obi-Wan was often more by-the-book (although occasionally he did improvise himself). He might've given Anakin a bit more freedom. Then again, Obi-Wan pretty much knew something was up with Anakin and Padme, but didn't really bother to reign him in.
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    Take a look at this video.
    It's really funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Then again, Obi-Wan pretty much knew something was up with Anakin and Padme, but didn't really bother to reign him in.
    Clone Wars did pretty much confirm he knew about it.

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    I think the idea is he knew there was something, just not that they were actually married.

    I'm reading Brotherhood (one of the latest novels) and he also tried to keep some distance from it because it reminded him of his connection to Satine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I think the idea is he knew there was something, just not that they were actually married.
    I would agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    Qui-Gon seemed a bit more unorthodox while Obi-Wan was often more by-the-book (although occasionally he did improvise himself). He might've given Anakin a bit more freedom. Then again, Obi-Wan pretty much knew something was up with Anakin and Padme, but didn't really bother to reign him in.
    I think Qui-Gon and Anakin would have shared a true mentor-mentee or father-son relationship whereas Obi-wan Anakin shared a big brother-little brother type relationship. It is heavily implied in different media both canon and legends, that Anakin never truly respected Obi-wan as a mentor, and thus when they butted heads he often defied Obi-wan or at least ignored his instructions. Sadly, Palpatine filled the father role for Anakin who both admired and respected Palpatine unlike Obi-wan who he admired but didn't respect. I think if Qui-Gon would have been around Palpatine would have had a much harder time becoming Anakin's surrogate father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frobisher View Post
    It's getting pretty ridiculous how every time we see Vader he gets even more powerful, regardless of place in the timeline. In Star Wars he's slow-motion fighting an old man with a strip light, then in the next one he can fling filing cabinets around using power o' t' mind a bit. Now he can stop steering-wheel light sabres using jazz hands, pull spaceships out of the sky (though not see the identical spaceship parked behind it), and easily disco-dance around slices. I fully expect that by 2025 we will see him destroying an entire solar system with a pelvic thrust.
    Eh, I don't think it's a power creep just an example of technology evolving. You just sort of have to accept that the fight with Obi-Wan in A New Hope looks the way it does because of the constraints of the tools available to the filmaker at the time rather than it being a "true" representation of fighting at the time. One could attempt to rationalize why Jedi went from wuxia inspired ariel combat in the prequels to shuffling around like kids on the play ground if you want, but the real life reason of George Lucas having neither the budget or technology neccesary to produce a fantastical fight scene nor the directoral acumin to hire a better fight choreographer works better for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian View Post
    Eh, I don't think it's a power creep just an example of technology evolving. You just sort of have to accept that the fight with Obi-Wan in A New Hope looks the way it does because of the constraints of the tools available to the filmaker at the time rather than it being a "true" representation of fighting at the time. One could attempt to rationalize why Jedi went from wuxia inspired ariel combat in the prequels to shuffling around like kids on the play ground if you want, but the real life reason of George Lucas having neither the budget or technology neccesary to produce a fantastical fight scene nor the directoral acumin to hire a better fight choreographer works better for me.
    Or in-universe it could be because you have a cybernetically enhanced cripple battling an old man who neglected his powers for about a decade, just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian View Post
    Eh, I don't think it's a power creep just an example of technology evolving. You just sort of have to accept that the fight with Obi-Wan in A New Hope looks the way it does because of the constraints of the tools available to the filmaker at the time rather than it being a "true" representation of fighting at the time. One could attempt to rationalize why Jedi went from wuxia inspired ariel combat in the prequels to shuffling around like kids on the play ground if you want, but the real life reason of George Lucas having neither the budget or technology neccesary to produce a fantastical fight scene nor the directoral acumin to hire a better fight choreographer works better for me.
    We have also seen a rendition of how the famous duel from A NEW HOPE would be presented if made today:



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    I'm kind of curious if maybe Bail or even Owen somehow pays for Obi-Wan's house, as he's clearly upgraded from the cave by ANH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I guess it's good to know she gets more from her dad than just his temper.
    She did help repair The Falcon in TESB.

    Quote Originally Posted by j9ac9k View Post
    I think kids were probably more patient than a lot of adults when it came to the GI's "death." I don't have demos, but these shows have had Grogu, Omega now Leia. It's definitely aiming towards kids as much, if not moreso than adults.
    IMO, Star Wars has always been for kids, even if only the ones inside us. It did begin as a nostalgia fest for those remembering the Matinee Serials.

    Quote Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian View Post
    Eh, I don't think it's a power creep just an example of technology evolving. You just sort of have to accept that the fight with Obi-Wan in A New Hope looks the way it does because of the constraints of the tools available to the filmaker at the time rather than it being a "true" representation of fighting at the time. One could attempt to rationalize why Jedi went from wuxia inspired ariel combat in the prequels to shuffling around like kids on the play ground if you want, but the real life reason of George Lucas having neither the budget or technology neccesary to produce a fantastical fight scene nor the directoral acumin to hire a better fight choreographer works better for me.
    Or, we can head-canon it away as Vader playing with Obi-Wan ("Your powers are weak, old man."). The same excuse works for why he didn't simply yank the Rebels out of the ether at Yavin: He was having too much fun doing it old school right up until Han Solo snuck up on him, whilst he was fixated on that X-Wing piloted by somebody strong in the force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celgress View Post
    Or in-universe it could be because you have a cybernetically enhanced cripple battling an old man who neglected his powers for about a decade, just saying.
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    She did help repair The Falcon in TESB.

    IMO, Star Wars has always been for kids, even if only the ones inside us. It did begin as a nostalgia fest for those remembering the Matinee Serials.

    Or, we can head-canon it away as Vader playing with Obi-Wan ("Your powers are weak, old man."). The same excuse works for why he didn't simply yank the Rebels out of the ether at Yavin: He was having too much fun doing it old school right up until Han Solo snuck up on him, whilst he was fixated on that X-Wing piloted by somebody strong in the force.
    You canb certainly rationalize it in many ways if that makes it fun for you, definitely not poo-pooing that. For my money, it's easier just to accept the reality of the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    I'm kind of curious if maybe Bail or even Owen somehow pays for Obi-Wan's house, as he's clearly upgraded from the cave by ANH.
    Obi-Wan is a pretty resourceful guy. I’m sure in the decade or so before ANH, he could have built it himself.

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