They (Various Street Level Characters) Defend Helms Deep Redux

[Postmania]

Just a bunch of throwbacks to the classic threads of yore. How do the following do against the requisite 10,000 Orks?

1) Dawn of the Dead Crew. The keep is replaced by the mall so all equipment in it is there but everything else stays the same.
2) All mutants in the movie Logan (including X24) and the bad guys in that movie as well team up to defend the keep. There's now 5 of those powerup serums to hand to Logan as he needs them.
3) Ja-Yoon from The Witch Part 1 and the bad guys as well.
Feats for the bad guy crew that weren't already shown with the feats from my past thread.
4) The Defenders (Netflix) and Elektra as Black Sky
5) The Heroes defending against Thanos as of Endgame but without their biggest guns. No Iron Man, No Hulk, No Thor, No Wanda, No Strange, No Ant-Man going gargantuan.
6) Horror Movie Mashup with Jason X, Real World Freddy Krueger, Leatherface, Ghostface from the Scream movies, Jigsaw, Nomak from Blade 2, the werewolves from Dog Soldiers, Predator from the Original Movie and 1 Xenomorph.
7) The 300 Spartans from 300
8) Every character who had an action role in the Raid movies and John Wick.
9) The Rohirrim (and only the Rohirrim) from the movie.
10) The combined crew from the Normandy from the Mass Effect games, so everyone who was ever recruitable and served on it at some point.

I think the scenario gives some prep time as well for w/e usually but if not they all get the same amount of time the heroes did in the movies.

[Stigmazilla]

Just a bunch of throwbacks to the classic threads of yore. How do the following do against the requisite 10,000 Orks?

1) Dawn of the Dead Crew. The keep is replaced by the mall so all equipment in it is there but everything else stays the same.


2) All mutants in the movie Logan (including X24) and the bad guys in that movie as well team up to defend the keep. There's now 5 of those powerup serums to hand to Logan as he needs them.
3) Ja-Yoon from The Witch Part 1 and the bad guys as well.
Feats for the bad guy crew that weren't already shown with the feats from my past thread.
4) The Defenders (Netflix) and Elektra as Black Sky
5) The Heroes defending against Thanos as of Endgame but without their biggest guns. No Iron Man, No Hulk, No Thor, No Wanda, No Strange, No Ant-Man going gargantuan.
6) Horror Movie Mashup with Jason X, Real World Freddy Krueger, Leatherface, Ghostface from the Scream movies, Jigsaw, Nomak from Blade 2, the werewolves from Dog Soldiers, Predator from the Original Movie and 1 Xenomorph.
7) The 300 Spartans from 300
8) Every character who had an action role in the Raid movies and John Wick.
9) The Rohirrim (and only the Rohirrim) from the movie.
10) The combined crew from the Normandy from the Mass Effect games, so everyone who was ever recruitable and served on it at some point.

I think the scenario gives some prep time as well for w/e usually but if not they all get the same amount of time the heroes did in the movies.

1. The humans go down hard. There's only a dozen or so of them with rifles and shotguns, they pick off some Urk Hair but not many all, and die in one of the first few arrow volleys. 1/10

2. They retreat deep into the keep and let Xavier have a seizure, and take out a good portion of the invading force. Then whatever is left has to fight Wolverine and company int the narrow halls of the keep. I don't know if they can completely do it, (although I don't know if the Isengard forces can put down X-24), but they would do better then Rohan's defence forces. 8/10

3. Pass for now, I might come back and review the feats later

4. I don't know if they can put down Luke, if they can pin him or bury him, then the win easily. For this to work this would need to be a full netflix mcu defence force with hand ninjas, Kingpin and his goons, Punisher, and his special forces, and other supporting characters. 4/10

5. Now we are in the complete other camp where you have to remove whole portions of the Avengers crew to make this even. Maybe just the intial Infinity War army minus Wanda, Vision, Banner, and Rhodes, for it to be even. 20/10, with the more limited army 9/10


7. I'm not really overly familiar with all of these, though the slashers would get hacked to pieces, and Jigsaw is a dying old man without prep, even with prep unless he had massive amounts of explosives, the Isengard force would just push through them. You would need a hive of aliens to stand a chance. Predator isn't bad but they've lost to single swordsmen before; they aren't holding off an army, though I guess it could nuke a good fraction of them. 4/10


8. The Spartans are more impressive then the Rohan but not overly. Maybe they could hold the keep and try to force the urk-hai to file in but eventually they probably just blow them up with their bombs. 3/10


8. This gets tricky trying to figure out an exact amount of people. Are we including every goon? Assuming the number comes under maybe 200, then I think the numbers save the invaders, ammo really comes into play here given that both franchises don't give their heroes unlimited ammunition. 7/10


9. So no fellowship and no elves? The keep falls too early and the cavalry arrives to corpses. The elves provided a good backbone of the defenders, and the heroes all provided leadership and helped in key moments. Also there wouldn't be a cavalry if Gandalf didn't organise them to come when they did. 4/10

10. Pass

[Harbinger19]

10. Normandy crew’s gonna waste the Orc army on offense but it’s sort of dodgy on defense. Kinetic barriers are designed to stop relativistic projectiles; they probably won’t do anything against arrows and spears from what I recall.

Still, ME crew has genetically enhanced humans and superhuman aliens with full-auto weapons holding functionally unlimited ammo (particle rifle, Lancer). Throw some biotic specialists up on the walls and the orcs will never get anywhere with the Deep’s choke points. Their siege ladders will get warped and it’ll be really demoralizing watching their fellow orcs get set on fire, Singularity tossed, etc.

It’ll pretty much look like the scene in Citadel where the crew’s all lined up mowing down their enemies.

Heh, now I’m picturing a few Krogan charging out of the gate, Theoden-style.

[Jackalope89]

Most of those, I don't have much info on.

6. Not sure what Freddie can do, considering his realm is dreams. The rest are too few, but Jason and Michael I see cutting down large swathes of Orcs, especially Jason. But they eventually get overwhelmed.

7. While 300 was an entertaining film, the lack of any armor for the Spartans was more than headscratching. Their skill will allow for holding choke points well enough, but without missile support, lack of armor, and being so badly outnumbered, they get overwhelmed.

9. Oof. Ends in defeat. Books and films, the Fellowship members play key roles. And film wise, the Elves, slaughtered that they are (which was bad in its own way, lore wise), also provided key support.

10. This one is interesting. You have a couple of Krogan, heavy hitting biotics that can cause serious area of effect explosions, techs that can freeze or burn, along with spawning drones, snipers that can pop berserkers and what not while going invisible, and heavily armored soldiers that can mow down rows? It comes down to if they can hold the lines to keep the Uruks back and not in close quarters (where, barring the Krogan, they have distinct disadvantage). For this one, I have to wonder if heavy weapons, like missile launchers and flamethrowers are included or not. Because in ME3, missiles are used either on "boss" level opponents (Praetorians all deserve one to the face) or when being overwhelmed by a seemingly endless stream of enemies/clearing out a room for quest/reviving teammate. Still, this one has the best chance of winning.

[Sharpandpointies]

Mass Effect slaughters. The orcs start dying in waves about a half-mile from the walls, well-outside charge range. As they close, explosions happen in their ranks, orbs of energy sweep groups of them into the air in a horrifying display (while killing them), balls of fire ignite them/explode them like bombs/both, lightning rips through their tanks, explosions underfoot, etc. They arrive, try ladders, and waves of force tear the ladders off the walls, sending orcs flying out over the battle field, screaming, to their deaths. All the while, their dead are piling up from continuous hyper-velocity gunfire that treats their armour like tissue paper. Meanwhile, even IF kinetic barriers don’t stop arrows (they stop harpoons, pistol-fired grenades, and other non-hyper velocity stuff), many of the Mass Effect people are still wearing full-body (mostly, Zaeed is too cool for that) armour meant to at least mitigate some damage from ME projectiles, I imagine it does fine against most arrows. Those ME characters without the ‘full’ armour (or helmets) can take cover and throw tech and biotics from a safe place.

Plus medi-gel if they DO get injured.

Even if the orcs blast their way in through the culvert, they’re trying to get through a choke point against ME weapons, biotics, and tech. The bodies plug the hole.

If somehow they get all the way in, the ME people retreat to the Hornburg and continue the massacre.

If some orcs get through all of this, achieving close combat, they meet Grunt, Thane, Yahg-pummelling Shepard...and Wrex. Ugh.

Oh, and Mordin, who has feats for killing Krogan in melee combat. ‘...with farm equipment!’

I don’t think it gets that far, though. I figure the orcs suffer horrific casualties from terrifying ‘sorcery’, and break.

[Postmania]

And here I thought the numbers would be a bit much for the ME crew lol

All this talk of it does give me good memories of multiplayer though, now I'm picturing a Helms Deep level in there.

[Sharpandpointies]

And here I thought the numbers would be a bit much for the ME crew lol

All this talk of it does give me good memories of multiplayer though, now I'm picturing a Helms Deep level in there.

...my wife and I still play multiplayer. If you're on the Xbox, look me up (I've played with CoR, was fun).

Maaaan, they nailed that multiplayer, too bad it's not in the Legendary edition (I understand why, but still).

[Jackalope89]

...my wife and I still play multiplayer. If you're on the Xbox, look me up (I've played with CoR, was fun).

Maaaan, they nailed that multiplayer, too bad it's not in the Legendary edition (I understand why, but still).

Didn't know that. That sucks, and is still really fun. Was hoping the RNG would be adjusted for it too (still trying to upgrade certain weapons). And the Praetorians could use some de-buffing, so they don't have butt lasers or jump 20ft to insta-kill you. Even Banshees aren't that bad.

[Sharpandpointies]

Didn't know that. That sucks, and is still really fun. Was hoping the RNG would be adjusted for it too (still trying to upgrade certain weapons). And the Praetorians could use some de-buffing, so they don't have butt lasers or jump 20ft to insta-kill you. Even Banshees aren't that bad.

I'm all upgraded to N7 X, but I admit it took a while. And my wife is only about halfway done her N7 weapons, having not played MP as much as I used to (these days, she's the driving force). She's frustrated because the game keeps giving her stuff she DOESN'T want, while holding back on the Lancer, the Harrier, and the Collector SMG (she is - understandably - addicted to these three weapons, and needs to force herself to use something different for challenge points). *sighs* I recall it doing the same to me; I think there's something in the algorithm that pushes the game toward giving you stuff you don't normally use. At least her Lancer is up to V, now.

One of the reasons they skipped it for Legendary, I hear, is that they DIDN'T want to unfairly push people off the old game into buying the new one. I mean....if multiplayer upgraded, there would be an exodus from the old game, but some people don't want to shell out the money for the new one - they'd be left playing alone. There were other reasons - technical issues and the like.

Having heard that the new MP likely would have not carried everything over - everyone would be starting from scratch - I'm okay with that (I do not wish to give up my perfect N7 weapons, dammit!). ^_^ Will still be buying Legendary Edition, because it might be fun to run the series again on Insanity, and to support the company/push Mass Effect.

Collecters are certainly the worst of the enemies - they didn't have as much time to balance them before the MP support went off-line. They're like the +0.5 of enemies. Everyone else is Bronze, Collectors are Bronze +0.5. Etc. C'est la vie - the multiplayer is still a gazillion times better than the dog's breakfast that was ME:A multiplayer.