It’s every 7 years, afaik...
But that theory is great and all, but at the end of the day if we’re a completely different being.. then this just backs up the fact that “clones” are not the same as the original. This in turn proves that there indeed is a significant difference which is worth arguing about since the deceased character would not be same person as the resurrected unless the same soul is embodying the new body.
The real life examples you used make sense, but due to the lack of evidence or proof we can’t really do much about it, but in Marvel, if there’s evidence and proof, then like
I’ve mentioned many times now - in the case of Ben Reilly and Peter Parker, if they are indeed just as valid as being the same person then why do they have different names? Why isn’t Parker accountable for Reilly’s actions and vice versus? Why do we need seperate stories or issues for each character? Why can’t we just liberally exchange them with each other in the same story and call it a day?
We don’t do that because logically makes zero sense to do so.
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So let just get it out of the way the fiction already explains that "soul" is part of the equation in this that is why they aren't clones.
Now back to my point "What does it matter". If it is not told anybody, Nobody cares about the distinction. Your whole argument about difference comes down to supposed "mystical" bar code otherwise everything is exactly the same. The fiction is explaining there is more than one way to get back that "mystical" bar code the X-men process is different but end result is the same.
Let's take Betsy, for discussion's sake...the last time she was in her original body was before she went through the Siege Perilous in 1989. She was killed at least three times (not counting FotM resurrection by Roma) first by Vargas and resurrected by Jamie, then by Sapphire Styx and she recreated (a copy of) her own body (the original was lost when Revanche succumbed to the Legacy Virus). Then most recently in XoS and brought back to life in Excalibur. The only constant maintained throughout those life-death-resurrection journeys is that her soul was always Betsy's and the entire readership accepted it/her as such.
So...either they're woefully unaware of comic book history with regards to their favourite character(s), or they don't understand How Comics Work, or they're being very selective with their angst and ire towards HiX-Man and Co...for "reasons". In which case, their "personal investment" is somewhat suspect.
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I’m not quite sure I understand where you’re coming from.
If Betsy still has the same soul / consciousness then despite which bodies she’s in, she’s still the same Betsy.
But if this new method doesn’t involve the soul (which has been established that it’s not the case), then their angst is valid
Defining soul as the character’s immortal consciousness / sentience then it does matter. Sure if it’s not stated then nobody knows, but the fact that this thread is stating it and are aware of the implications then it does matter. Being oblivious to a fact doesn’t make it any less true.
Going back (yet again) to Ben Reilly - why can he be considered a copy/clone and the resurrected characters in this current run aren’t? What separates a cloned Reilly from a resurrected character??
Last edited by Dcnewb; 04-08-2021 at 05:12 AM.
My point is...some readers here (clearly don't know their favourite charcater's history) are now decrying the resurrection protocols and basically denouncing the characters as clones/"not the real X-Men" which is erroneous because this new method (as with all the others in the past) does involve the original soul. There is no "If" about it. So their angst is invalid.
My point is...They were willing to accept Betsy as Betsy all these past years, even in different bodies, but with the same soul...what is the difference now? What makes Betsy (and every one else who've been through the resurrection protocols) unacceptable clones?
To answer the initial question...going by what we've just said...No. the resurrection protocols is not "just" cloning. Eventhough it involves a cloned body. (Which historically speaking is par the course for 90% of the MU heroes...and is universally accepted and understood, just not by a few.)
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Just to add some canon to the situation since this has been addressed in Valkeyrie and The green door from hulk and the pods on krakoa being specifically mentioned.
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So the real question would be if they are clones why did them coming back cause death to become sick. Another question would be if they are clones when death healed herself and let them go from her process, where are their souls?
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I can’t speak on behalf of everybody else. But for me, now that it’s established that the soul is factored in this method then this entire “problem” is a non issue for me anymore, because to me, as long as the soul has transferred through then it’s still the same person.
If they still are upset despite the above then I agree with you.
Where has it been discussed this process involves souls? These people are husk empty shells when they come out the egg & then Charles puts all their memories from up until a certain point into the husk that's it no concept of retrieving their souls is apart of the process. Egg makes the egg for fertilizing, Proteus & Josh do the heavy lifting of recreating the body, the 1 girl ages the body up to appropriate time, Hope enhances their powers so they can get the job done. Nothing about any of their powers touches upon the souls. This fact is doubled down cause you have Kurt questioning about the soul aspect during the first Crucible issue.
So...just to be clear...you're saying that every one on Krakoa who've been through the RPs don't have souls?
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I'm saying their clones their OG souls have moved on cause in their RP no mutant is capable/in charge of retrieving it even though I'm sure someone on that island is capable of doing that. Now whether clones have souls is debatable & IDC to really discuss. But back to the original question "are they clones? Answer is...
It's been clearly stated that their souls have not moved on but...Understood.
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