Is the mutant resurrection method just cloning?

[Rift]

The bodies are cloned, but they're the original person. At least with Ben Reilly (Amazing Spider-Man (2015) - #22), he was brought back every time he died. The Jackal brought back the Lizard's wife and son, and in issue 21 of the current Spider-Man run, Doctor Strange said that (at least for the son), they're the original person. The implication is that cloning can legitimately bring someone back from the dead.



The writing in the X-Men books treats them like the real deal, too. You're basically just reloading a save state.

[myownlittleusername]

The writing in the X-Men books treats them like the real deal, too.

Yeah, this is the only thing that really matters.

The rest is just technobabble.

[Devaishwarya]

Ergo...in my personal opinion, they are the real deal.
The science and technobabble are for those who find pleasure/dissatisfaction in such things and should be heatedly debated with the writers directly, if one is in dire need of absolute verification.

[rcaguy]

Ergo...in my personal opinion, they are the real deal.
The science and technobabble are for those who find pleasure/dissatisfaction in such things and should be heatedly debated with the writers directly, if one is in dire need of absolute verification.

Let's be honest here. Why would they (the writers) want to be bothered with this nonsense? Wouldn't be surprised given the attunes shown in the past concerning certain things in the past (Karma's leg anyone?) by certain people, the writers told them to take a flying leap.

[Devaishwarya]

Absolutely.
And I don't give them wrong.
The irrelevances (like Karma's leg or they are all clones, who is Omega etc.) or gross miscomprehensions (the X-Men are practicing Black Magic), that's not on the writers. That's entirely on that person not understanding what they read or not accepting what they read. And I've realised long ago, answering those questions here in these threads is pointless (as pointless as the writers taking precious time and energy to do so) because those aggrieved readers don't really want answers or a different perspective, they want support and acknowledgement that they are somehow right. Aint nobody gots time fuh dat.

If one thinks they're clones...Okies.
If one thinks they're neck deep in Black Magic...Sure.

[Zelena]

Ergo...in my personal opinion, they are the real deal.

As real as a fiction can be… The fiction is real when you read it and believe in it. The definitions of the X-men have been made by previous writers… To me, they are real when they behave like their former selves.

[jwatson]

I'm just going to be real. I WISH the only thing some of us had to worry about was if we agreed or understood a story. Here some of us are pimping the stories, engaged in the stories, spending the money on the stories instead of pirating the material (which i know exactly the places to go if i was that kind of person, which i feel marvel says i should be.) and we are more likely to see representation of ourselves at an All Lives Matter rally than in a marvel comic. Must really be nice. I know i sound bitter, i know i should even feel bitter, but instead i feel i don't know, like even if onslaught is corrupting the x-men they still more compassionate then these real life folk with no excuse.

[Devaishwarya]

As real as a fiction can be… The fiction is real when you read it and believe in it. The definitions of the X-men have been made by previous writers… To me, they are real when they behave like their former selves.

And that is valid. I wouldn't dare try to dispute your personal opinion eventhough I absolutely, one hundred percent, don't agree with it.

What I will contend with is the actual written text. Not wild speculations or personal feelings. Cold Hard Text.
Show me in-story where they said Storm is a Cosmic being or, a mutant not living on Krakoa is actually concerned with Xavier's unethical use of the Cerebro files and then we can have a discussion.

[Devaishwarya]

I'm just going to be real. I WISH the only thing some of us had to worry about was if we agreed or understood a story. Here some of us are pimping the stories, engaged in the stories, spending the money on the stories instead of pirating the material (which i know exactly the places to go if i was that kind of person, which i feel marvel says i should be.) and we are more likely to see representation of ourselves at an All Lives Matter rally than in a marvel comic. Must really be nice. I know i sound bitter, i know i should even feel bitter, but instead i feel i don't know, like even if onslaught is corrupting the x-men they still more compassionate then these real life folk with no excuse.

All I can say is...those who are reading/buying comics looking solely for representation find it where they can. Maybe not in an X-Book or a Marvel book (though I beg to differ) but there are other books and publishers out there offering those representational comics...it just takes some searching.

[jwatson]

All I can say is...those who are reading/buying comics looking solely for representation find it where they can. Maybe not in an X-Book or a Marvel book (though I beg to differ) but there are other books and publishers out there offering those representational comics...it just takes some searching.

I have started to move more toward DC comics. Like Nubia real one was good and the new wonder woman yara flor which was also really good. Also Static shock and i have to catch back up on Green Lantern i think the last issue i got was three so i am definitely pulling away from things marvel but still it's just not right but it is what it is.

Edit: and hey marvel is putting the wind under my own sails so in that it's a good thing as well. Also i don't think anyone reads anything just for representation but it needs to make sense, new york is not all white i lived in the state over and went there many a time. So i don't know what window marvel looking out of.

[Devaishwarya]

Yupp. They are out there. And in greater quantities.

[Sutekh]

And cells in the human body are constantly replaced, to the extent that in four years every single cell in the body has been replaced. If the “hardware” has changed completely, is it really the same person (Google Trigger’s Broom)? Do you really have continuity of “soul” from the person who went to sleep yesterday, or do you only think you do because your hardware brain cells hold memories of that day? (You certainly have no memory of ever not being alive) What, then, even is continuity of consciousness?

Yeah, this 'is the copy actually me?' logic is wonky since our minds reformat every time we sleep, we literally 'lose consciousness' and awaken as a new person with slightly unreliable memories of our previous days, which, by 'clone/download' standards, might as well be entirely separate incarnations, since we most definitely did not have 'continuity of consciousness.' Marvin Minsky might argue that we die and resurrect every day and that 'continuity of consciousness' is just an illusion we sell ourselves because we are afraid of death.

As for souls, we know they exist in the Marvel universe. There's a soul stone, and beings that traffic in souls, and even a mutant who mucks around with the spirits of the dead, Wicked.

I wonder if perhaps there's some sort of quantum connection between a soul and the body/mind it belongs to, so that if a copy of the mind/body is kickstarted to life after someone dies, their original soul just sort of gets dragged back (from wherever it went after the original body died) to complete the circuit? And so there aren't souls of resurrected mutants hanging out in the afterlife, blissfully unaware that there are new versions of them walking around on Krakoa, because these 'old souls' got pulled back to the new bodies when they breathed their first breath and opened their eyes?

[Devaishwarya]

Marvel souls are pretty malleable. They operate according to the circumstances and story as directed by the writer. They can stay in limbo, be sent to heaven or hell, broken up and separated into pieces and parts, exist without a body/host, hosted by different bodies...the applications have been varied and endless.

There's no one way for souls to be treated.

[Zelena]

The resurrected ones are what the author wants them to be… true.

Nevertheless, it would be logical that they have some suspicions about the whole process and don’t accept all of this “at face value”… It would be logical that it leads to some existential crises among fragile people, considering all the traumas and changes the mutants went through. They left a world they knew to Krakoa, a new world… and no problem of adaptation?

I remember when Lorna Dane “lost it” after Genosha’s destruction… It rang true.

[Devaishwarya]

This is comics. This is the X-Men. What might seem logical to the readers might not be what's logical or planned by the writers. They have their own plots and plans and interests regardless of what we may think and feel.