Children of the Atom 2 preview

[Rang10]

The cloud at the time affected the entire line. The terrigen was running through every book and inhumans were guesting left and right in the main line books. I read Inhumans and UNcanny Inhumans and saw the casino that was being ran and them living it up while on the flip side i sat through extraodinary xmen and the other books where the ramifications were actually being dealt with which were the main books so a cloud released in avengers we are dealing with in xmen. So again in a shared universe that's on them. The readers can come now and be all "but they cared" but i would say then they should have been asking where were the books showing their favorite heros responding to what was happening to mutants they same way they are now asking what are the mutants doing to humans. It's in a pocket, it's not affected Cap, thor, etc the same way the cloud wasn't but now that they seem on the up there seems to be a problem. Oh well.

It was a Inhuman and Mutants problem. Uncanny avengers had this storyline and steve rogers was there, he wasn't even captain america.

[jwatson]

It was a Inhuman and Mutants problem. Uncanny avengers had this storyline and steve rogers was there, he wasn't even captain america.

ok no matter what is said those panels showing they cared can't be produced and in a shared universe that's on someone, and it's not on the readers to manufacture. so yeah.

And personally i just want to be clear. I don't hold it against them its not like i won't buy a book they are in but it is what it is. I don't feel one office should be asking for anymore than they are giving the other. It wasn't the x-office responsibility to show the avengers helping mutants if they didn't deem it important enough to reflect it in their own books.

[Noek]

ok no matter what is said those panels showing they cared can't be produced and in a shared universe that's on someone, and it's not on the readers to manufacture. so yeah.

And personally i just want to be clear. I don't hold it against them its not like i won't buy a book they are in but it is what it is. I don't feel one office should be asking for anymore than they are giving the other. It wasn't the x-office responsibility to show the avengers helping mutants if they didn't deem it important enough to reflect it in their own books.

Wait what are you saying exactly? From how I am reading this it comes off as, "as long as we don't count the parts where they cared, they never cared". I am guessing that is not what you were trying to put, but that is what it is coming off as. Also your previous post Uncanny Inhumans was dealing with the more internal Inhuman problems/stories, All-New Inhumans was dealing with the External like the Terrigen cloud among other things.

[butterflykyss]

Well they certainly aren't friends. Friends don't let friend get killed by clouds. Friends don't let friends be hunted by sentinels. Why do all of these things in a supposed shared universe only seem to need to be addressed in the xbooks. Is there a reason why they don't use valuable space in their books to address the view of said heros on issues in a "shared universe". It seems like the X-side be on top of it when it comes to responding to things that are happening in avenger books that effect them.

yea im sorry this is a lot of reaching here. they didn't let anyone get killed or hunted by sentinels. the xbooks have stories they focus on and the avengers their own stories. if we are actually being fair, avengers are fighting to protect all life on the planet and not just mutants, which the xmen seemingly are ONLY focused on. so im not sure you want to make that argument.

[dirtynun]

Storm got off easy if you ask me.

And what are they the avengers going to do about it? They came in and were sent out plain and simple. Next time call first or practice manners.

[Rang10]

And what are they the avengers going to do about it? They came in and were sent out plain and simple. Next time call first or practice manners.

They weren't formally visiting, they just told them bout the problem

[dirtynun]

yea im sorry this is a lot of reaching here. they didn't let anyone get killed or hunted by sentinels. the xbooks have stories they focus on and the avengers their own stories. if we are actually being fair, avengers are fighting to protect all life on the planet and not just mutants, which the xmen seemingly are ONLY focused on. so im not sure you want to make that argument.

And the x-men were fighting to protect what? During the inhuman vs x-men event please I am confused where was the avengers when the terrggien cloud was killing mutants. Did they do anything to help, I am genuinely asking because I don't even remember seeing them up until the civil war 2 comic. When decimation happened what did the avengers do, I remember carol saying something to the effect of oops and the rest of the avengers looking nonchalantly at their television. I do not think the avengers are malicious towards mutants but they aren't as great an aide as many of you try to paint them as. They do not go out if their way to advance mutant issues on a regular basis. They are the equivalent of a white influencer posting a black square when there is national outrage over police brutality of black people. The influencer isn't racist or a bad person but a paragon of of hope and activism they are not. The avengers and the x-men live in very different worlds this influence their perspectives o issues and how to deal with things. The x-men as you all know are despised and the avengers are loved and respected.

[dirtynun]

They weren't formally visiting, they just told them bout the problem

And that is great and amazing I believe that was right on their part. But that isn't the xmansion it is an embassy you don't make casual visits there without being invited.

[Kurolegacy]

ok no matter what is said those panels showing they cared can't be produced and in a shared universe that's on someone, and it's not on the readers to manufacture. so yeah.

And personally i just want to be clear. I don't hold it against them its not like i won't buy a book they are in but it is what it is. I don't feel one office should be asking for anymore than they are giving the other. It wasn't the x-office responsibility to show the avengers helping mutants if they didn't deem it important enough to reflect it in their own books.

Not gonna lie, it does kinda sound like you hold it against them for what is literally an editorial issue. The Inhuman issue happened because Marvel was pushing the Inhumans at the time and you can hardly blame the Avengers for not dealing with it considering nobody that wasn’t either X-Men or Inhumans dealt with that issue. Plus it really seems that if the Avengers do overstep their boundaries, Xfans complain yet if they don’t, they complain that they didn’t do anything to help. It honestly feels like a damned if you do, damned if you don’t kind of situation considering Xfans will complain about the Avengers as if they’re devil spawn no matter what they do.

[jwatson]

Wait what are you saying exactly? From how I am reading this it comes off as, "as long as we don't count the parts where they cared, they never cared". I am guessing that is not what you were trying to put, but that is what it is coming off as. Also your previous post Uncanny Inhumans was dealing with the more internal Inhuman problems/stories, All-New Inhumans was dealing with the External like the Terrigen cloud among other things.

No I mean those panels literally can not be produced. I will be shocked if anyone here can post a panel from cap, thor, or any other mu book aside from the one panel in one of the inhuman books of their thoughts on mutants being gassed and inhumans setting up camp in New York. Meanwhile I have seen several remarks in the main books about krakoa and their supisicion on what mutants are up to on krakoa just like when they were suspicious of utopia. So why is it other writers know exactly what's going on then. Seems kind of weird.

[jwatson]

Not gonna lie, it does kinda sound like you hold it against them for what is literally an editorial issue. The Inhuman issue happened because Marvel was pushing the Inhumans at the time and you can hardly blame the Avengers for not dealing with it considering nobody that wasn’t either X-Men or Inhumans dealt with that issue. Plus it really seems that if the Avengers do overstep their boundaries, Xfans complain yet if they don’t, they complain that they didn’t do anything to help. It honestly feels like a damned if you do, damned if you don’t kind of situation considering Xfans will complain about the Avengers as if they’re devil spawn no matter what they do.

That's fine it seems that way to you. It's basically a situation of I what it is. I can react to what I see in a book for what it is in that book and then go enjoy cap or someone else in their own " world". Not that deep.

I will be more impressed when I read them doing something in their own books.

And last thingi don't get why people assume if you can see what's in front of you it has to somehow mean more. I bet if I show my comixology i bought more avengers and other comics here than the people claiming avengers being done wrong

[Tycon]

Storm, who has been an Avenger.

For about a second. And only because she was personally asked by Steve/T’Challa to help their sinking PR

You can tell from all the talk about the Avengers not caring about kids in cages that most here aren't reading anything outside the X books. Because they actually have been working against it.

sound like a whole lotta talk considering CRADLE still exists lol. Sort of how Biden promised to urgently deal with the very real detention camps that exist in America, even though he didn’t have the bravery to even dismantle ICE. And it feels very odd to call Ro and Raven ‘hostile’ when they’re simply drawing boundaries.

[Rang10]

For about a second. And only because she was personally asked by Steve/T’Challa to help their sinking PR



sound like a whole lotta talk considering CRADLE still exists lol. Sort of how Biden promised to urgently deal with the very real detention camps that exist in America, even though he didn’t have the bravery to even dismantle ICE. And it feels very odd to call Ro and Raven ‘hostile’ when they’re simply drawing boundaries.

Avengers aren't government, they are wakanda based. and Outlawed is about to end

[ZephyrSurf]

And that is great and amazing I believe that was right on their part. But that isn't the xmansion it is an embassy you don't make casual visits there without being invited.

I don't think you know how Embassies actually work. Unless you're mistaking an Embassy with its Primary office.

[Ichijinijisanji]

And personally i just want to be clear. I don't hold it against them its not like i won't buy a book they are in but it is what it is. I don't feel one office should be asking for anymore than they are giving the other. It wasn't the x-office responsibility to show the avengers helping mutants if they didn't deem it important enough to reflect it in their own books.

If the x-office can take time and panels to show the avengers/ff being antagonistic for no reason, they can show them caring and helping instead. Almost everyone has limited panels and pages to tell a story. Just having their books say "man that sucks about mutants huh" won't be enough to x-readers anyway. They'd have to dedicate an entire arc towards a problem they make affecting mutants for the story because "offering sympathy" is gonna be very little. Inserting misc non-x members into arcs that are already ongoing for a few panels or a page helping would work way better from the x-books or even just mentioning that the avengers have to deal with xyz monster or the ff have to deal with abc demon
Still, if you have mixed teams like A-force where dazzler thor was struggling with MPoX you can see team members caring, offering sympathy. But books like Uncanny avengers it was literally the mission statement to include avengers in those arcs and write arcs around it.

Like look at claremont he included thor in the mutant massacre storyline, carol in the breaking into the pentagon to delete mutant files story, and later helping storm with xse and protecting from the more racist members in authority and so on.