Power with Girl is better.
Superman's bag of tricks can beat anybody else's. No, he isn't omnipotent and can be licked temporarily, but in the end he will win (except against Batman, of course ). It doesn't matter what anybody thinks or wishes, this is just a de facto DC rule.
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That only works if he's barely more powerful in many of his powers, and Zatanna has never a chance if we follow the rules of the thread.
Making Superman faster than the character whose whole theme is speed is just a terrible idea.The Flash can still do stuff he can't like phase through objects or time travel because he gets his speed from the Speed Force and that allows him to do things Superman cannot that are not directly a result of who is faster. And Superman was never officially faster than the Flash. It was always too close to call.
Why?Or, conversely, he can be just slightly more powerful in the things he can do but not by much but eliminate all the weaknesses like kryptonite and having him be more vulnerable to magic than to other things.
Those weaknesses were created outside of any competition with other superheroes.Those weaknesses were created BECAUSE he was so much more powerful than everyone else and there needed to be weaknesses to stop him. If he's going to be about the same power level as everyone else, those weaknesses just make him weaker than everyone else.
Superman shitting on the rest of the Justice League and making especially WONDER Woman look like an insignificant joke in comparison is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what he should be in a shared verse, even worse in a movie that is supposed to introduce the Justice League, this concept:But, quite frankly, the way he was portrayed in "Justice League", either version, is EXACTLY what he should be, the SUPERman.
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is not much better than the worst Batman is god and anyone else an idiot stories.
Superman blitzed her, overpowered her, and even saw her like she would be a statue in his fight with Flash, that future movie would either need to portray that Wonder Woman jobs as much as the Silver Surfer in his worst times or give her an enormous power upgrade.My one caveat would be to have a future movie where we realize that he only seemed so powerful against WW because she was trying to restrain him, not fight him or hurt him. So she went against him, strength for strength, headbutt for headbutt, like two 1880s boxers toing the mark and trading punches. Had she really been fighting him rather than trying to hold him, it would have been a real fight.
The DCEU Justice League gave people the impression that the rest of the members are mostly the cheerleaders for Superman, the only way i could see them getting it even more wrong are the worst Batman is god stories.But, except for that (and that the Flash will develop and gain esoteric abilities), JL got it exactly right.
An entire race making anyone else look bad would be even worse.Incidentally, as Kryptonians, I think Supergirl and Powergirl should be at the top too. In that JL situation, if there was no Superman, Supergirl should have been just as much the ringer.
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Don't know.
If "accurately" written he could thanks to his Super Speed guys like Firestorm, Green Lantern and most of DC Magic users out before they could even act.
That wouldn't work against Flash and similar Speedsters, but those lack the Super Strength and Durabilty to go up against Superman.
That would imo only leave Characters with similar power sets to his (Wonder Woman, Shazam , Martian Manhunter ...) but I'm not really sure which of these characters can match his Speed, and of course some cosmic beeing like the Spectre but I think we should keep those out of the discussion.
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It's reprinted in SUPERMAN IN THE EIGHTIES (2006), SHOWCASE PRESENTS: THE SPECTRE (2012), SHOWCASE PRESENTS: DC COMICS PRESENTS: THE SUPERMAN TEAM-UPS Vol. 2 (2013). Stupidly it's not reprinted in SUPERMAN VS. MONGUL (2014) even though the other two parts of the trilogy are reprinted in that book.
They should really have done a Jim Starlin collection.
Jeez can't a SUPERIOR character just be shown to be just that? Am I the only one who read Supreme? Am I the only one who sees every knockoff superman in every other comic company be able to be the top dog that they are? Its like some of you have a problem with Just superman, and let all the insanely powerful characters have a pass.
Created from 2 of the greatest men,made with 2 powersets thst are both SUPER,and has 2 cool asf looks and attitudes.
Whenever you talk about the speed of flash and superman, they end up saying that superman cannot be faster than flash because speed is the trick of flash.
1: flash has many other powers apart from speed.
2: the first superhero with superspeed was superman, speed is superman's tuco
3: the logic of flash fans, is that since superspeed is his main power, there is nothing wrong that he is millions of times faster than another hero, following that logic, the main power of superman is his strength, There is nothing wrong with him being millions of times stronger than any other hero.
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My only problem with that is, does that mean Hawkman is faster at flying or is Aquaman a better swimmer. Superman can potentially fly through solid metal and swim through magma. Better yet, is Detective Chimp a better detective than Batman since Batman also knows martial arts?
He is SUPERman not SUPERIORman, and it's news to me that Hyperion is the top dog of Marvel, and several of the other DC characters are not meant to be inferior in certain or most attributes.
He could be as unstoppable as possible in his own verse, but not in a shared verse.
Shazam and Martian Manhunter to me have the best chance. The Martian isn’t as fast or strong but he is strong and fast enough to buy himself time to use his telepathy to do A lot of damage. Superman has some resilience to mental attacks but he isn’t invulnerable to them like he is to physical attacks. Shazam in my opinion should beat Superman, and it’s pretty contrived that DC has him loosing to Sups so much. Superman might be slightly stronger, I’m not sure about speed (but they seem pretty comparable) but to me that’s all trumped by the fact that Shazam has extremely powerful magical attacks at his disposal. Superman, who doesn’t have any additional defenses against magical attacks should not be shrugging off mystical lightning like some comic creators show him doing.