The James Bond Pierce Brosnan Era

[Castle]

Skyfall and Spectre seemed to be skewing Craig's Bond more in the direction of the regular franchise, sort of softening Craig's Bond with some more humor and class (such as the cuff adjustment in the opening scene). SPECTRE took this another level, the SPECTRE car chase is even sillier than some of Moore's.

Dalton and Craig's earlier films tended to be a bit more like Fleming's Bond, who was generally more cold and less superhuman (He spends whole chapters recovering from injuries that most of the film Bonds would've shrugged off-heck a good chunk of Casino Royale kind of showed something similar). Although towards the end I think the movies were rubbing off on Fleming a bit, YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN generally have Bond be a bit more light-hearted (He even warmed to Connery, with YOLT confirming Bond was half-Scottish).

I agree about Spectre and SKyfall. there is a good chance that the studio took into account some of the feedback from Casino Royale from fans that Craig Bond came off too much as an unlikeable douchebag.

Dalton and Craig's earlier films tended to be a bit more like Fleming's Bond, who was generally more cold and less superhuman (He spends whole chapters recovering from injuries that most of the film Bonds would've shrugged off-heck a good chunk of Casino Royale kind of showed something similar). Although towards the end I think the movies were rubbing off on Fleming a bit, YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN generally have Bond be a bit more light-hearted (He even warmed to Connery, with YOLT confirming Bond was half-Scottish)

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Which is the reason I say this about many films, not just comic movies but also novels. not everything you read on the paper or from your own imagination in your personal head is going to translate that way on a big screen where everyone will be watching the one same thing

[choptop]

Madonna was almost enough to totally sink DAD for me

That's what almost ruined it for you? She's in it for like 5 minutes....

[AnakinFlair]

That's what almost ruined it for you? She's in it for like 5 minutes....

I think Mik meant the song, which to be honest nearly killed it for me as well. Though I do love the fact that she wanted to be one of the Bond girls in the movie, but when they denied her that she demanded her character be a lesbian, if memory serves.

[Hypestyle]

What I get in this era was Pierce made a great Bond but did not star in great Bond films, Golden Eye the only great film. Although I personally loved Die Another Day , not just because I am a Halle Berry fan. I thought the film was pretty good

How will you rate the Brosnan era of Bond?

I enjoyed all of them except The World is Not Enough.

[CosmiComic]

I think Mik meant the song, which to be honest nearly killed it for me as well. Though I do love the fact that she wanted to be one of the Bond girls in the movie, but when they denied her that she demanded her character be a lesbian, if memory serves.

Yeah, I meant the song. It is the worst Bond song IMO. I didn't know she made so many demands about casting, though. She's not the greatest actress or singer

[choptop]

Yeah, I meant the song. It is the worst Bond song IMO. I didn't know she made so many demands about casting, though. She's not the greatest actress or singer

I would call writing on the wall the worst Bond song in my opinion it's just boring and slow and dull.

[CosmiComic]

I would call writing on the wall the worst Bond song in my opinion it's just boring and slow and dull.

Writing on the wall is wrong combo of singer and song for me. It's not great, but DAD is still the worst to me. Maybe I just don't like Madonna

[ChrisIII]

I cannot remember the score of Golden Eye but the soundtrack or original song was fantastic. performed by Tina Turner, written by Bono from U2 and Pierce looks so darm awesome in this music video, perhaps the most bad ass, he was as Bond.

All the Pierce footage is from the movie, the guy in the gunbarrell I don't think is Brosnan, just a stand in.

[ChrisIII]

I agree about Spectre and SKyfall. there is a good chance that the studio took into account some of the feedback from Casino Royale from fans that Craig Bond came off too much as an unlikeable douchebag.

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Which is the reason I say this about many films, not just comic movies but also novels. not everything you read on the paper or from your own imagination in your personal head is going to translate that way on a big screen where everyone will be watching the one same thing

CASINO wasn't totally humorous-the whole Casino part in particular features a lot of humor-it's also in a way Bond sort of Bond learning to go from "blunt instrument" that he is for most of the film's action heavy first hour to the more suave Bond we're more familiar with-for example Vesper coaching him about the dinner jacket and how his ego and overconfidence gets him into trouble.

[ChrisIII]

Writing on the wall is wrong combo of singer and song for me. It's not great, but DAD is still the worst to me. Maybe I just don't like Madonna

David Arnold didn't like the song either; and he was also kind of mixed on Another Way to Die.


Worth noting that that the only time Madonna's track appears in the movie apart from the credits is during the party and the end credits; it doesn't show up as part of the instrumental score. Ditto with Another Way to Die (Arnold recorded an alternate QOS track with Shirley Bassey using the music we here in the movie). Also in Tomorrow Never Dies, he uses a ton of K.D Lang's end credit song Surrender during the action scenes, but I don't think he used any of Sheryl Crow's title theme. I think it might've been because Surrender was going to be the original theme but they decided to go with Crow because she was a big thing at the time.

[CosmiComic]

David Arnold didn't like the song either; and he was also kind of mixed on Another Way to Die.


Worth noting that that the only time Madonna's track appears in the movie apart from the credits is during the party and the end credits; it doesn't show up as part of the instrumental score. Ditto with Another Way to Die (Arnold recorded an alternate QOS track with Shirley Bassey using the music we here in the movie). Also in Tomorrow Never Dies, he uses a ton of K.D Lang's end credit song Surrender during the action scenes, but I don't think he used any of Sheryl Crow's title theme. I think it might've been because Surrender was going to be the original theme but they decided to go with Crow because she was a big thing at the time.

Interesting. I didn't know Bassey did anything for QoS.

I'm experiencing 90s overload though

[ZeroBG82]

I liked Brosnan a lot. I'll agree that his tenure was a bit unfortunate. Goldeneye was brilliant, Top 5 among all Bond films for me. But then it was a long, slow slide into mediocrity with each follow up. TND was solid, but uninspiring. TWiNE was not good, but not terrible either. Brosnan and Sophie Marceau almost save that one with excellent turns, but Denise Richards is too 70's campy a choice and was awful. And Die Another Day is a terrible film. Rosamund Pike is great, and Halle Berry tries really hard, but nothing in that film works outside of Frost.

Going to be honest, I think DAD might have worked better if they'd swapped Pike and Berry's roles. Halle as a villain would have been great. Still think it would have ended up a poorly executed mess, however.

[TheBlackTerror]

OHMSS had awful editing though.

Awful as in “not a happy ending”? See I feel the opposite. I’ve seen OHMSS a million time and the end still chokes me up. Bond is truly human and (as in the Books) can’t win them all. I’ve read articles that suggest that his extremely cavalier attitude toward women and affairs after OHMSS (Moore had many more dalliances than Connery although it was the 70s too) was because he was determined not to get too close to women after Tracy. It’s still one of my favorite Bonds. And makes Connery in Diamonds are Forever look pretty poor in comparison

As far as Brosnan he was a good Bond in increasingly poor films IMO. By Die Another Day he was essentially Batman without the costume. The gadgets had taken over.
Craig is an undeniably terrific actor and I quite like Casino Royale, but the one thing I really couldn’t take was the “Bourneification” of Bond in those movies. Bond is supposed to be smart, charming, witty, and urbane in addition to be a terrific hand to hand fighter. Craig really wasn’t any of those things and, IMO lost something in the translation

[CosmiComic]

Awful as in “not a happy ending”? See I feel the opposite. I’ve seen OHMSS a million time and the end still chokes me up. Bond is truly human and (as in the Books) can’t win them all. I’ve read articles that suggest that his extremely cavalier attitude toward women and affairs after OHMSS (Moore had many more dalliances than Connery although it was the 70s too) was because he was determined not to get too close to women after Tracy. It’s still one of my favorite Bonds. And makes Connery in Diamonds are Forever look pretty poor in comparison

As far as Brosnan he was a good Bond in increasingly poor films IMO. By Die Another Day he was essentially Batman without the costume. The gadgets had taken over.
Craig is an undeniably terrific actor and I quite like Casino Royale, but the one thing I really couldn’t take was the “Bourneification” of Bond in those movies. Bond is supposed to be smart, charming, witty, and urbane in addition to be a terrific hand to hand fighter. Craig really wasn’t any of those things and, IMO lost something in the translation

No, I mean the transitions between the scenes, at least from what I remember. The ending was good

[Somecrazyaussie]

Goldeneye's fairly dark and wouldn't be out of place with Dalton's era (Possible it was written with Dalton in mind).

Not possible. It definitely was written for Dalton. Remember he was attached to the film early on. However, Dalton was originally contracted for 3 films. He just wanted to do GoldenEye and then bow out. But the producers and studio wanted to establish some stability after the hiatus and told him they wanted him to commit to more than just one film. He said no and left. Clearing the way for Brosnan to get his shot.

I feel GoldenEye was the best out of his run. TND and TWiNE both had fantastic ideas and villains. DAD, on the other hand, was just terrible.