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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    Totally agree on that point. The Craig action scenes and fights are bar none the best.

    No other Bond really comes close. Outside of the earliest Bond movies most of the fight scenes were either gimmicky or hilariously contrived.
    Exactly. I think one thing the Bourne movies showed is how melee combat in Hollywood was always so hokey or corny. IMO they're better nowadays, at least in realistic action movies, and not when there's a 1000 cuts in 3 seconds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Exactly. I think one thing the Bourne movies showed is how melee combat in Hollywood was always so hokey or corny. IMO they're better nowadays, at least in realistic action movies, and not when there's a 1000 cuts in 3 seconds
    Surely quick cuts would be an incredibly effective way to portray the confusion and intensity of being in a melee though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frobisher View Post
    Surely quick cuts would be an incredibly effective way to portray the confusion and intensity of being in a melee though.
    That's true. I've heard others complain about modern actions having too many cuts. Sometimes I agree, but I think it can also show frantic confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    The Craig era has been up and down for me, but mostly down. I didn't really enjoy Casino Royale with its six million hour long card game. Card games are a means to an end in Bond films, not the movie itself. I came in open to the experiment of making a card game all full of suspense and intrigue but found that it failed and was boring. Not to mention that a game with the villain having direct life and death stakes had been done already with Sean Connery and with much more flair.

    Craig himself has been good at the character, though. He definitely plays a darker, meaner Bond reminiscent of the Dalton movies and some of the Connery era, which I do like.
    The poker game was brutal I almost fell asleep 3x and haven’t been to another Craig Bond after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnak View Post
    The poker game was brutal I almost fell asleep 3x and haven’t been to another Craig Bond after that.
    They never did poker again after that because Texas Hold Em was only ever considered cool for about five minutes. You’re not missing much on the Quantum Of Solids or Spectre front though, to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnak View Post
    The poker game was brutal I almost fell asleep 3x and haven’t been to another Craig Bond after that.
    Casino Royale was a really solid Bond film overall, but I can totally see why people might feel that way. It definitely does eat up a fair chunk of the film, and is probably the weakest segment of it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Frobisher View Post
    They never did poker again after that because Texas Hold Em was only ever considered cool for about five minutes. You’re not missing much on the Quantum Of Solids or Spectre front though, to be honest.
    Spectre isn't terrible, though it definitely has issues. I can't disagree about QoS either.

    Skyfall is the real gem and far and away Craig's best film in the role. Top 5 for me easily, and depending on my mood possibly my favorite Bond of all time.

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    The original Casino Royale novel is pretty much almost nothing but the card game, a few attempts on Bond's life, the torture scene, and Vesper and Bond's recovery/getaway/tragic end. The last part also doesn't have that dramatic Venice sequence.


    A lot of Fleming's Bond novels are kind of an acquired taste, especially if you're familiar with the movies beforehand (Plus a lot of dated stuff even by the movie standards). Sometimes the movies would adapt some parts of a novel but some scenes would be used in later films-It can be argued that Moonraker's novel "DNA" is found not just in the Moonraker movie, but also in the plot of Goldeneye and Die Another Day. From Russia With Love and OHMSS are probably the closest films to the novels IMO.

    The Octopussy short story also became the basis for not only the Bond girl's backstory but Nu-Blofeld in SPECTRE. Even some non-Fleming Bond works sometimes wind up in the films-Colonel sun is sort of referenced in Die Another Day (With Colonel "moon") while Blofeld's torture speech in SPECTRE is almost identical to a passage in the novel. Elements of SPY WHO LOVED ME and FYEO are also very similar to that novel.
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    I have to agree, Pierce Brosnan era was quite a good time for James Bond. Both "Goldeneye" and "the World is not Enough" were good.

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    Is this the song that wasn't chosen for Quantum of Solace? If so I'd love to know the logic behind why they went with the other one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Grey View Post
    Is this the song that wasn't chosen for Quantum of Solace? If so I'd love to know the logic behind why they went with the other one.
    Because in 2008 Jack White and Alicia Keyes were a hotter act than Shirley Bassey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Castle View Post
    What I get in this era was Pierce made a great Bond but did not star in great Bond films, Golden Eye the only great film. Although I personally loved Die Another Day , not just because I am a Halle Berry fan. I thought the film was pretty good

    How will you rate the Brosnan era of Bond?
    I agree, for me Brosnan and Moore are probably my favourite Bonds because were so charming and charismatic....but they have the worst Bond movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    Ok. One of the reasons I like Craig's era is because the fight scenes are actually good to me. IMO pre-00s hand-to-hand fights in movies weren't great outside of wuxia
    Which is fascinating because The Bourne Identity came along in 02 (same year as Die Another Day) and the consensus with that was to do a grounded, realistic spy/thriller film that was the opposite of the direction the Bond films were going in. Both films came out and the contrast between them was evident. One was a critical and commercial success while the other underperformed. From that point on the producers wished to have subsequent Bond films to do the same in terms of action, stunts and fights as the Bourne films.

    In a roundabout way, the Bond films inadvertently influenced the creative shift when Craig took over by inspiring another film to do things differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Somecrazyaussie View Post
    Which is fascinating because The Bourne Identity came along in 02 (same year as Die Another Day) and the consensus with that was to do a grounded, realistic spy/thriller film that was the opposite of the direction the Bond films were going in. Both films came out and the contrast between them was evident. One was a critical and commercial success while the other underperformed. From that point on the producers wished to have subsequent Bond films to do the same in terms of action, stunts and fights as the Bourne films.

    In a roundabout way, the Bond films inadvertently influenced the creative shift when Craig took over by inspiring another film to do things differently.
    Die Another Day was actually the highest grossing Bond film until Casino Royale, and it even received pretty decent reviews from a lot of publications at the time, even though many felt the invisible car was a step too far. However, I think the public consensus was that the Bourne films were making Bond look silly. Casino Royale was definitely a step in the right direction.

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    I think the Bassey song was made after the film, although it uses one of the film's instrumental songs.


    Seems the Alicia Keys/Jack White song was trying to go for a "You Know My Name" type of sound, but it sort of came out all unbalanced.

    It's kind of like the Roger Moore era, you had "Live and Let Die" but Lulu's "Man with the Golden Gun" tried to use the same basic style but it didn't quite work out, so most of the rest of the era stuck to love ballads (Especially since "Nobody Does it Better" was such a hit) until "View to A Kill".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somecrazyaussie View Post
    Which is fascinating because The Bourne Identity came along in 02 (same year as Die Another Day) and the consensus with that was to do a grounded, realistic spy/thriller film that was the opposite of the direction the Bond films were going in. Both films came out and the contrast between them was evident. One was a critical and commercial success while the other underperformed. From that point on the producers wished to have subsequent Bond films to do the same in terms of action, stunts and fights as the Bourne films.

    In a roundabout way, the Bond films inadvertently influenced the creative shift when Craig took over by inspiring another film to do things differently.
    Yeah. Also, I think I heard Craig or someone else say Austin Powers made old Bond look too silly, so they had to make the next movies more gritty.

    I hope they keep it fairly un-campy when the next Bond takes over

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