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    Wait, Nemesis is a Nazi too? I always thought he was just weird

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian B View Post
    Remember though, Wanda didn’t actually commit a genocide. Hickman’s recounting of “no more mutants” conveniently leaves out that Wanda depowered mutants, not murdered them. Also, it’s convenient that they all go along with Scarlet Witch is not a mutant, when, c’mon, we all know she’s Magneto’s kid.
    and Graydon Creed is Sabretooth & Mystique’s son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rang10 View Post
    Sinister isnt a nazi? he worked with nazis , soon Mengele won't be a nazi too
    clarification....he's not anti-Semitic nor a roaring racist
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    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    clarification....he's not anti-Semitic nor a roaring racist
    You cannot seriously be pulling a "just doing my job" argument with a guy who literally worked at Auschwitz

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    You cannot seriously be pulling a "just doing my job" argument with a guy who literally worked at Auschwitz
    I'm sure he was enjoying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonnagiveittoya View Post
    You cannot seriously be pulling a "just doing my job" argument with a guy who literally worked at Auschwitz
    Uh yeah dude not saying he was forced into it but if it had been a concentration camp for any kinda people Catholics or Russians or etc
    He woulda been there.
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    If he worked at a concentration camp and is a eugenicist, he's probably a Nazi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mik View Post
    If he worked at a concentration camp and is a eugenicist, he's probably a Nazi
    Nothing more obvious, even Avril Lavigne would sing this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rang10 View Post
    Nothing more obvious, even Avril Lavigne would sing this
    Yes a Nazi that's not anti-Semitic
    Last edited by BroHomo; 04-19-2021 at 08:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rang10 View Post
    Nothing more obvious, even Avril Lavigne would sing this
    There's a name I haven't heard in a while!

    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    Yes a Nazi that's not anti-Semitic
    What?

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    Sinister’s not a Nazi. Nazis see some kinds of people as sub-humans fit only to experiment on; Sinister sees everybody as experimental test subjects. He is saying “why don’t all lives not matter?”.

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    Ororo had to take care of Kamala in international waters because Carol didn't do enough for her in Champions.

    It's normal for her to be upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    Ororo had to take care of Kamala in international waters because Carol didn't do enough for her in Champions.

    It's normal for her to be upset.
    That part hasn't happened yet because this book is taking place right around the time outlawed one shot came out but got delayed by covid. Which is why ororo says "you helped out the champions in the hearing, but now it should apply to mutants" or something along those lines. It's the usual "you help human but not mutants" deal.

    Further more, the avengers as mentioned in the champions book got taken out by a crisis despite being sympathetic and wanting to help, though still written with frustration at that.

    Bad faith argument, not unlike the other justification I headcanon that mystique set off carol (when in reality she's given the moral highground over all the avengers). Though atleast that one isn't outright contradicted by the text and timing just by the framing

    Just say it was dumb writing for an empty internet clapback and move on instead of coming up with justifications.
    Last edited by Ichijinijisanji; 04-20-2021 at 03:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    ...Sinister isnt a Nazi tho. ...
    This argument you and other people are making that Mr. Sinister isn’t anti-semitic or a Nazi is patently absurd. Mr. Sinister was a Nazi and an anti-semite. They showed it in the comics.

    This is an example of Marvel editorial and fans failing to think things through. It’s also probably an example of why things like genocide ought to be handled more delicately and with the implications more carefully considered in Marvel Comics.

    If someone in real life was a doctor performing experiments on human victims at Auschwitz, they would be a Nazi war criminal. Period. Being a Nazi is anti-semitic. Period.

    The Nazis weren’t, like, “Hey, mad scientists, come on by and help Nazis experiment on humans, but you don’t really need to be one of us to help.”

    The Nazis repeatedly stated principles were that Germans were a superior race and the Jews an inferior race. By definition, Nazis are anti-semites — no if’s, no and’s, and no but’s.

    If you were a doctor at Auschwitz performing medical experiments, you were a member of the Nazi party. You would have been part of the top of the hierarchy of the ruling party of a totalitarian state at war, bent on world domination and the mass murder of ethnic minorities, including and especially 6 million Jews. You would have been a member of the SS, in charge of the security of the German state and the Nazi party. As an SS member at Auschwitz, you would have been a member of the SS-Totenkopfverbände, or Death’s Head units, the worst, in charge of and charged with carrying out genocide in Europe. As a scientist performing horrific medical experiments, you would have been among the very top of the hierarchy, one of the actual architects of the Holocaust. You would have been the very worst of the worst, personally responsible for carrying out the genocide of Jews and Romani in Europe. You would be one of the worst anti-semites ever in the history of the world, and one of the very worst Nazi party members and war criminals, right up there with Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler. Really, those are the only two that might be worse, and those two wouldn’t even have the actual blood on their hands as you, a hypothetical doctor at THE most infamous Nazi death camp.

    Yes, Mr. Sinister is a Nazi war criminal and anti-semite.

    Don’t twist yourselves into Marvel continuity gymnastics and overthink it. This one is really simple, because it is all too sadly based on real events, unlike “Genosha” or “M-Day.”

    Somewhere, Stanley Martin Lieber and Jacob Kurtzberg are shaking their heads at this revolting development.

    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    Hmmm Genocide and LOL-ing in the same sentence was....a choice.

    ... a certain number of people have to care before you consider it a Genocide.
    Interesting.
    Again, “Genosha” and “M-Day” are NOT real. And M-Day isn’t even a fictional genocide. Come off it.

    If you’re going to be outraged by Marvel’s and Hickman’s fictions and fans’ attitudes toward them, BroHomo, be upset that they made a fictional Nazi war criminal — but certainly based on REAL events — into the a head of a government of supposed super heroes. The Holocaust was real, not some magical b.s. that never happened, like “M-Day.”

    I’m still hanging on, wondering where Hickman is going with this. I’m trusting he’s going somewhere satisfactory with all of this.

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    Apparently because mutants are a sufficient stand-in for real minorities, it's somehow ok for a segregated society to bring in a Nazi war criminal

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