Captain Marvel in Children of the Atom #2

[Marvelman]

I just want to remind everyone including any Marvel staffers ghosting this board... Carol Danvers has a long-standing friendship with Charles Xavier, Wolverine, and the X-men. The X-Men were very kind to Carol at a time when the Avengers had turned their backs on her.

[Wiccan]

Yeah but then they used her that for that scene with Emma and so most X-Men fans hate her...

[jwatson]

I wonder why none of the writers of her solo wanted to explore those connections so modern x-books could draw on them. Especially if they claimed to LOVE carol.

Though kelly sue did have roguje come in during her run and explained her powers. I appreciated that. But obvs carol fans who loved her so much and wrote her didn't appreciate that time in her life. I have often wondered and was in disbelief about the same thing. No carol writer remembered her past with mutants and had her show up.

[gonnagiveittoya]

Pfft nobody remembers anything that happened in X men before 2018, not even the characters

[Brian B]

Pfft nobody remembers anything that happened in X men before 2018, not even the characters

LOL! #truth!

[Tycon]

Pfft nobody remembers anything that happened in X men before 2018, not even the characters

Hm. But why wouldn’t Carol feel some type of way with Mystique there? Seems like a pretty good continuity pull for those two characters.

[Shadowcat]

Yeah, Mystique has fucked with Carol hard. She deserves any animosity Carol had for her.

[CosmiComic]

Probably a remnant of the division between the Avengers and X-Men sides from the 00s/10s

[Shadowcat]

I wonder why none of the writers of her solo wanted to explore those connections so modern x-books could draw on them. Especially if they claimed to LOVE carol.

Though kelly sue did have roguje come in during her run and explained her powers. I appreciated that. But obvs carol fans who loved her so much and wrote her didn't appreciate that time in her life. I have often wondered and was in disbelief about the same thing. No carol writer remembered her past with mutants and had her show up.

Kelly Thompson has used Rogue, as well as showcased her relationship with Wolverine in the current run.

[butterflykyss]

Kelly Thompson has used Rogue, as well as showcased her relationship with Wolverine in the current run.

I'm assuming their interactions were amicable correct?

[Ichijinijisanji]

I wonder why none of the writers of her solo wanted to explore those connections so modern x-books could draw on them. Especially if they claimed to LOVE carol.

Though kelly sue did have roguje come in during her run and explained her powers. I appreciated that. But obvs carol fans who loved her so much and wrote her didn't appreciate that time in her life. I have often wondered and was in disbelief about the same thing. No carol writer remembered her past with mutants and had her show up.

They had poker night with logan too and in fearless carol, susan, ororo were together helping children as part of outreach.

I asked kelly thompson if she could include mystique or other x-men or even the brood, but she said she can't, it's with the x-offices atleast for something bigger than poker night with logan (which was fun, and krakoa wasnt treated negatively) or Alternate realities like the current arc.

It seems that for real stories involving mutants, its on the x-office side unless there's a giant crossover or if theres a writer with a very big influence.

Hm. But why wouldn’t Carol feel some type of way with Mystique there? Seems like a pretty good continuity pull for those two characters.

the avengers were written like strawmen here. You can headcanon that perhaps carol was upset at seeing mystique (I do), but I must concede that there isn't anything indicating it (nor contradicting). Vita even posted the page on her twitter, but it was celebratory, so it seemed to be written for the clapback, nothing else.

Yeah but then they used her that for that scene with Emma and so most X-Men fans hate her...

Is it just me or do most x-fans don't fully understand that scene. It's more about lashing out in guilt and trauma, misrepresenting or misunderstanding Carol's intent to help, conflating her with tony. In short, the comic opens with them investigating guthrie's death and carol wishes to bring it to them personally because she didn't want it getting tied with military restrictions and emotional aspect, showing her good intent. Her passing the information on directly to the x-men which actually helped them figure out it was nimrod (while ONE had a lot redtape, including confiscating stryker's gauntlet as evidence). Even her wishing to talk about the registration was a matter of wanting to help the x-men (for various reasons I won't go into) and she tries to reiterate it at the end. You may disagree with that, but her intent was genuine (and so was emma's even in her off or wrong decisions during that run, especially with laura, and the other adults as well). That's also why she later came to the wake in that run, showing a sense of mutual acknowledgement b/w emma and carol showing her genuine intents, and was also there in the x-men civil war mini where the pro-reg side managed to save the mutant refugees.

[jwatson]

They had poker night with logan too and in fearless carol, susan, ororo were together helping children as part of outreach.

I asked kelly thompson if she could include mystique or other x-men or even the brood, but she said she can't, it's with the x-offices atleast for something bigger than poker night with logan (which was fun, and krakoa wasnt treated negatively) or Alternate realities like the current arc.

It seems that for real stories involving mutants, its on the x-office side unless there's a giant crossover or if theres a writer with a very big influence.



the avengers were written like strawmen here. You can headcanon that perhaps carol was upset at seeing mystique (I do), but I must concede that there isn't anything indicating it (nor contradicting). Vita even posted the page on her twitter, but it was celebratory, so it seemed to be written for the clapback, nothing else.



Is it just me or do most x-fans don't fully understand that scene. It's more about lashing out in guilt and trauma, misrepresenting or misunderstanding Carol's intent to help, conflating her with tony. In short, the comic opens with them investigating guthrie's death and carol wishes to bring it to them personally because she didn't want it getting tied with military restrictions and emotional aspect, showing her good intent. Her passing the information on directly to the x-men which actually helped them figure out it was nimrod (while ONE had a lot redtape, including confiscating stryker's gauntlet as evidence). Even her wishing to talk about the registration was a matter of wanting to help the x-men (for various reasons I won't go into) and she tries to reiterate it at the end. You may disagree with that, but her intent was genuine (and so was emma's even in her off or wrong decisions during that run, especially with laura, and the other adults as well). That's also why she later came to the wake in that run, showing a sense of mutual acknowledgement b/w emma and carol showing her genuine intents, and was also there in the x-men civil war mini where the pro-reg side managed to save the mutant refugees.

Oh i just want to be clear, i read those books, i have read all of carol series so far because i actually do like Carol having read both sides it gets annoying to me that people assume x-fans should just infer what doesn't exist. Don't do the stories coming from that line if they aren't ready to deal with them. If you go get the event that happened in the main books and match them to what was happening in the x-books it makes no sense for one side to supposedly not have access to these characters like mutants but are the ones creating all the laws that in the world effect mutants but then only one side is suppose to seem to adhere to it. A lot of people just want to see their mutants on adventures just like people want to see Carol but one side doesn't have to pull double duty but it's expected from the other. Just my opinion. I can like a character, follow them, ignore in carol book what she isn't doing and acknowledge at a time when her book should have touched on a topic she was at the forefront of she didn't. And so i think even that scene with Emma was fair.

Also just wanted to add it makes the writers and editors at the time look worst to me. a genocide happened, a mutant killing gas, all these things from the main line and they went to all those retreats, came up with all those stories and was like we'll we'll just let them write whatever they want and circle back in another event. To me i question if they cared. Like how do you just ignore that in the writers room and care about these characters or this that universe. it doesn't gel.

[Ichijinijisanji]

Oh i just want to be clear, i read those books, i have read all of carol series so far because i actually do like Carol having read both sides it gets annoying to me that people assume x-fans should just infer what doesn't exist. Don't do the stories coming from that line if they aren't ready to deal with them. If you go get the event that happened in the main books and match them to what was happening in the x-books it makes no sense for one side to supposedly not have access to these characters like mutants but are the ones creating all the laws that in the world effect mutants but then only one side is suppose to seem to adhere to it. A lot of people just want to see their mutants on adventures just like people want to see Carol but one side doesn't have to pull double duty but it's expected from the other. Just my opinion. I can like a character, follow them, ignore in carol book what she isn't doing and acknowledge at a time when her book should have touched on a topic she was at the forefront of she didn't.

The line/law in question is affecting the young heroes. Not mutants specifically. It is not a mutant specific law. The law is being dealt with in those books. The mainline x-books aren't dealing with, nor are the mainline adult books.

Books which actually show the law or dealing with it: Runways, powerpack, Ms Marvel, Champions, ghost spider, CoTA, miles morales spider-man etc. All of them about young heroes including CoTA specifically, rather than it being the whole X-line.

And no, "one side" is not supposed to be adhering to it. They aren't wholesale either.

I'm also not asking you to infer what isn't there. It is there, it's shown explicitly. I give examples, I show the framing i use the tie ins to get a good idea. You're telling me "it isn't there", so am I crazy for seeing things shown? It may have been understandable, but fair? Nope. But I think its entirely different from what happened in CoTA where they're written as strawmen, vs New X-men where they're written as characters struggling to save these kids, but failing at every turn and lashing out, over-correcting, but also acknowledging that they may have been wrong about certain people.

But I guess nothing matters. Hero vs Hero is all that matters now, even if it doesn't make sense in a situation. Nuance is gone. Subtlety is gone. Nothing matters anymore.

[Swamp Thing 2099]

I wonder why none of the writers of her solo wanted to explore those connections so modern x-books could draw on them. Especially if they claimed to LOVE carol.

Though kelly sue did have roguje come in during her run and explained her powers. I appreciated that. But obvs carol fans who loved her so much and wrote her didn't appreciate that time in her life. I have often wondered and was in disbelief about the same thing. No carol writer remembered her past with mutants and had her show up.

Thompson has had her hang with Wolverine a handful of times.

[Marvelman]

Yeah but then they used her that for that scene with Emma and so most X-Men fans hate her...

When was this?