But still that didn't happened in the 1940s iirc Allan didn't get married to Molly untill after he knew of his kids (and Thorn directly ran away after the marriage ...).
And I'm not really sure how close Allan and his kids even were...
So Allan isn't really bast character for that kind of story imo.
They announced it a month ago.
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I most definitely wasn't talking about some stereotypical "gayness" in my previous post. I'm talking about, i.e. a female character who is gushing about this imale or that one in her own internal monologue, but later on her attraction for men just disappears in her thinking. That just makes no sense to me. Now talking about the opposite sex is a different matter, because that may just be a disguise in itself.
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I think Natasha Irons is the most known lesbian Superman character, if you don’t count the Legion of SuperHeroes, which Ahmad a few LGBTQ members. There’s the new Maxima as well. Traci 13 started in the Superman books.
Maggie Sawyer started as a Superman supporting character until the Bat franchise made her a Batwoman supporting character.
I can give you the YJ Wally but I think the JLU Flash is generally just regarded as 'The Flash,' normally.
I think my point with the example is stronger than the point that you're trying to make by calling it out: when people think of Wally West now one of the clearest versions that people will think of is the Arrowverse Wally who is a black man. If Wally shows up in the Flash film, he will be black. To the public consciousness Wally West is, going forward, going to be thought of as a black man and there's no problem with that.
Despite the fact that yes, Wally's origin was changed in the Flash show, it doesn't mean that the character acts any differently from how Wally typically acts in the comics. He doesn't. The show interpretation is a faithful adaptation, which is the important thing. And in general the fact that it exists and is genuinely popular means that more people have seen that version of Wally than they have the classic ginger version even despite his appearances in Young Justice or Teen Titans or as "The Flash" in the Justice League animated series. That said, do I think that it'll lead to Wally being racebent in the comics? No. I don't. Especially not when a character with the name Wallace West who already has a similar appearance to the show's Wally exists - but the chances of them ever having more than one Wallace West on screen anywhere are incredibly slim, and if they have to pick a character to adapt it'll be the original 9 times out of 10. And they'll probably adapt him as a black man because they don't want to run the risk of whitewashing claims.
And that's fine. Because Wally doesn't need to be white even if he is ginger.
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Well, that's good because I was genuinely curious rather than trying to make a point?
Though I do disagree that the CW is a "faithful adaptation" of Wally because I don't think it is. Now I think that has far more to do with the show doing their own thing and tossing some Wally-traits Barry's way than the ethnicity change, but the fact the character's set-up is so different means it has to be a fundamentally different character from the comics.
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I figured you couldn’t have meant those stereotypes, I just couldn’t figure out what you did mean. What you said makes sense although many gay men have been so deep in the closet that they believe the lie themselves. That could do to their inner monologue what you suggested about talking aloud. Thanks for answering my question.
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Ah, my bad. I'm used to so many people trying to make a counterpoint that I tend toward defensive.
That's fair though I still think they act similarly enough for him to be recognizable.JThough I do disagree that the CW is a "faithful adaptation" of Wally because I don't think it is. Now I think that has far more to do with the show doing their own thing and tossing some Wally-traits Barry's way than the ethnicity change, but the fact the character's set-up is so different means it has to be a fundamentally different character from the comics.
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Young Justice, Justice League and Justice League Unlimited are very popular outside the USA. People still love ginger Wally. They will never forget him. Plus Hollywood no longer makes films for the American audience only. Most of the box office for American films comes internationally (especially from China). Hollywood is pandering to the international audience, not to the American one. The international audience doesn't care about whitewashing, because we are no obsessed with race. Other countries have their own tv shows and movies which are becoming popular worldwide (thanks to Netflix).
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Again, I'm not saying that people don't love ginger Wally but the Flash in Justice League and JLU is just the Flash to people. They don't know the difference between Wally and Barry or any of the other Flash's, and would be inclined to think that it's Barry in that show.
No one is saying people will forget ginger Wally. In fact, I say in the same post you quoted that he's not likely to be racebent in comics.They will never forget him.
Did you miss the part where the West family in the DCEU is already established as being black and where outside of cartoons Wally's family is seen as black and Wally himself is probably seen as black? China has already seen a black Iris West as well as Wally West because surely the Flash show has reached it, and they were presumably more than okay with that. I don't think DC could afford the potential backlash that would come from making the West's white in any future film or cartoon now - especially not Wally when Wally is likely going to be representing two separate characters, one of whom is black in the comics.Plus Hollywood no longer makes films for the American audience only. Most of the box office for American films comes internationally (especially from China). Hollywood is pandering to the international audience, not to the American one. The international audience doesn't care about whitewashing, because we are no obsessed with race. Other countries have their own tv shows and movies which are becoming popular worldwide (thanks to Netflix).
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