Phoenix Force versus Captain Universe force vs Doctor Fate Artifacts

[Tanrage]

Each of the the three are granted to ordinary humans who are then we intensively trained to the point that are are as skilled as any wielder has been portrayed. Who's the last one standing?

[Beadle]

Probably the one that’s above skyfather level. The large, flaming, psychic, star-system-destroying bird.

But that’s just gut instinct.

[Nik Hasta]

Yeah, Phoenix Force has the highest feats - White Room Jean and all that - Captain Universe is the most user friendly as it grafts on to existing abilities and the like and I think comes with on board sentience to guide the user and Fate's stuff will literally try and take over your brain on some occasions.

[Muadib]

I'm with Beadle on this. Pheonix wielders have been acknowledged by Galactus as a peer and done some pretty impressive things. I dont think the other two have feats on the Phoenix's level.

[Phoenixx9]

PHOENIX FORCE.

The Phoenix Force is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, right under the LT and OAA.

" 'Nuff Said."

[Cody]

Near the end of the Deadpool/Thanos series, Captain Universe Force was presented as a part pf Eternity, like some form of Herald for the cosmic being. Eternity made it powerful enough, that it buff Wade to a degree that it allowed him to overpower Thanos(that was being empowered by Death), who was in the middle of beating Eternity to death.

Wouldn't that mean the force has a potential of power beyond that of the Phoenix Force?

[Wildling]

Near the end of the Deadpool/Thanos series, Captain Universe Force was presented as a part pf Eternity, like some form of Herald for the cosmic being. Eternity made it powerful enough, that it buff Wade to a degree that it allowed him to overpower Thanos(that was being empowered by Death), who was in the middle of beating Eternity to death.

Wouldn't that mean the force has a potential of power beyond that of the Phoenix Force?

Curious have you read the King in Black event? It was... a bunch of things but one was turning out to be Captain Universe heavy and the last word right now on what its role is. For better or worse.

[Beadle]

Near the end of the Deadpool/Thanos series, Captain Universe Force was presented as a part pf Eternity, like some form of Herald for the cosmic being. Eternity made it powerful enough, that it buff Wade to a degree that it allowed him to overpower Thanos(that was being empowered by Death), who was in the middle of beating Eternity to death.

Wouldn't that mean the force has a potential of power beyond that of the Phoenix Force?

Technically pretty much everyone in the 616 universe outside of TOAA, LT and Death are part of Eternity.

Cos he’s sort of... everything.

But even putting that aside, no, not especially. Firelord was a herald of Galactus, but that doesn’t put him in Galactus’ ballpark.

And the whole Thanos beating Eternity etc thing is so crammed full of WTF that it’s difficult to use as anything meaningful, feat-wise.

The feats of a fully-embracing White Crown Phoenix-user are way outside anything we’ve seen from Captain Universe.

Curious have you read the King in Black event? It was... a bunch of things but one was turning out to be Captain Universe heavy and the last word right now on what its role is. For better or worse.

For worse. Definitely for worse.

spoilers:

And if CU is the other side of the coin from the King in Black, does this whole thing mean Anti-Venom was kind of a proto-Captain Universe thing?

end of spoilers

[Cody]

Technically pretty much everyone in the 616 universe outside of TOAA, LT and Death are part of Eternity.

Cos he’s sort of... everything.

But even putting that aside, no, not especially. Firelord was a herald of Galactus, but that doesn’t put him in Galactus’ ballpark.

And the whole Thanos beating Eternity etc thing is so crammed full of WTF that it’s difficult to use as anything meaningful, feat-wise.

The feats of a fully-embracing White Crown Phoenix-user are way outside anything we’ve seen from Captain Universe.


For worse. Definitely for worse.

spoilers:

And if CU is the other side of the coin from the King in Black, does this whole thing mean Anti-Venom was kind of a proto-Captain Universe thing?

end of spoilers

Well I took it as Death being presented as an equal to Eternity, thus explaining why Thanos could fight him, because he had comparable power thanks to Eternities sister. While Wade beat Thanos, because he was given most of Eternities power via the universe force.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Near the end of the Deadpool/Thanos series, Captain Universe Force was presented as a part pf Eternity, like some form of Herald for the cosmic being. Eternity made it powerful enough, that it buff Wade to a degree that it allowed him to overpower Thanos(that was being empowered by Death), who was in the middle of beating Eternity to death.

Wouldn't that mean the force has a potential of power beyond that of the Phoenix Force?

I mean, technically speaking, Eternity is descended from the previous universe's Phoenix Force, IIRC.

[Slade1]

I mean, technically speaking, Eternity is descended from the previous universe's Phoenix Force, IIRC.

That doesn't mean the PF is as powerful as Eternity.