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    There was a long, long, long time I had been reading X-Men, just because I literally had every issue of Uncanny X-Men (v1) #30-something and up. No gaps. Includes #94, GSX #1...
    So I kept reading for a long time - because I had such a solid run.

    I wrote about it - and how I dropped UXM before V1 ended (somewhere in the 550's - and I think it ended around 600-something)
    http://comicreliefpodcast.com/archives/302

    Then wrote how Bunn brought me back when I heard he was on Uncanny -
    http://comicreliefpodcast.com/archives/594

    After that ended, it was what I needed to cease collecting.

    Since then, I've only picked up X-Men Legends (1 and 2), plan to get 3 (and any issues the Simonson do) and see where that goes.
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    Since I first saw this topic floating around I'd been debating posting in it. I'm one of the Designated Curmudgeons around here who hates everything, so I kind of feel obligated. But it was the announcement of Somnus that gave me the little push to actually type this out.

    My X journey was love to hate to like to more hate. I first got interested in X books because it was really the only place for a long while to see any kind of diversity. Like, Daken was the first bisexual character I came across, and the idea of a bisexual Wolverine thrilled me. So I started reading X books and trying to follow along with those kind of characters. So I loved X books.

    But then, none of those characters ever did anything. They never really mattered, and sometimes they'd go years without even appearing, and they'd never get any kind of arcs or character growth. And when they'd appear again they'd often just ignore everything that had happened. Anole's arm and turning into a bigger lizard dude really stuck out to me. Instead we kept getting the same stories about the same small group of mostly straight, white people. So the diversity I enjoyed started feeling like virtue signalling; like a symbol to be thrown around to look better.

    On top of that, I was getting increasingly uncomfortable with the storytelling. There was the endless misery porn, but there was also this weird Nazi-like supremacy angle that felt recurring. In most stories when you have a group claiming they are genetically superior to everyone else, they were the bad guys. Here the good guys were starting to say it more and more, and not just the bad guys. Their goal kind of became passive genocide. Humanity is dying soon, so we just have to wait and soon everyone will be just like us and everything will be great! It was creepy. Then there was the weird dichotomy of "we're more powerful than everyone else, with almost infinite money, but we get our **** kicked in repeatedly and treated like crap, so you should feel sorry for us and everything we do is justified" just really grated on me. All of that coupled with so many mutant characters doing horrible, awful things and almost never getting punished for it. Quire mind controlling the entire UN really stuck with me when I read it. Sentinels came out in response and the X-men got to look like heroes/victims while nothing happened to Quire that stuck. What?

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    So I stopped reading X books for a long while. But a few years ago I read a bunch of reviews talking about how great All New Wolverine was, and I saw that Daken, one of my old favorites, was going to be in it. So I bought that and enjoyed it. At that point I started picking up a few books again, mostly solo books, and found I could enjoy them again when they did their own thing and did real character work. So I kind of got back in the swing of being an X fan.

    Then we got Uncanny, Dissembled and Hickman. I won't go over all of my complaints, but it doubled down on what had driven me away in the first place. Creepy supremacist tones while only the straight white people really mattering, with token nods to actual diversity and terrible character work. But what pushed me to outright hate it was that the kind of diversity I had been originally looking had started to pop up in the rest of Marvel. It felt like the actual diverse books and stories were starting to get pushed aside to make way for the near dozen meh X-books. Ms. Marvel, Loki, Ironheart are all gone, and Champions has been hanging by a thread. Instead all the advertising and focus is on X books. Children of the Atom got more of a push than most non-X books in general. And having most websites constantly gush about the current line despite obvious writing and ploting problems just rubbed salt in the wound.

    As for why I still read them (I don't buy them), its because I don't want to complain about things I don't read. I want to at least try to be informed about it and make informed criticism of it.

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    I read some of the side books or tie-ins, but I have trouble with the Krakoa concept, among others, so I don't really read the mainline books. I tried, but I fell off. That, and I don't feel the X-Men really deal with the real world topics of diversity as much as they do with metaphors. However, I wouldn't say I hate any of it. It's just not for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkingdom View Post
    So I stopped reading X books for a long while. But a few years ago I read a bunch of reviews talking about how great All New Wolverine was, and I saw that Daken, one of my old favorites, was going to be in it. So I bought that and enjoyed it. At that point I started picking up a few books again, mostly solo books, and found I could enjoy them again when they did their own thing and did real character work. So I kind of got back in the swing of being an X fan.

    Then we got Uncanny, Dissembled and Hickman. I won't go over all of my complaints, but it doubled down on what had driven me away in the first place. Creepy supremacist tones while only the straight white people really mattering, with token nods to actual diversity and terrible character work. But what pushed me to outright hate it was that the kind of diversity I had been originally looking had started to pop up in the rest of Marvel. It felt like the actual diverse books and stories were starting to get pushed aside to make way for the near dozen meh X-books. Ms. Marvel, Loki, Ironheart are all gone, and Champions has been hanging by a thread. Instead all the advertising and focus is on X books. Children of the Atom got more of a push than most non-X books in general. And having most websites constantly gush about the current line despite obvious writing and ploting problems just rubbed salt in the wound.

    As for why I still read them (I don't buy them), its because I don't want to complain about things I don't read. I want to at least try to be informed about it and make informed criticism of it.
    Okay, now I can use the word hate to describe my feelings of every all new stuff marvel did. there was something about the extreme childish drawing of the characters that angered me as a person that has been into comics in some form for almost 30 years.

    And usually I am one of those people where I don't like the comic book art, its likely I won't read the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hizashi View Post
    If DC could do it, why not Marvel? What are they doing with all that Disney money?
    Welp, it's not like those big 2 conglomerates(WB and Disney) have done any favors to comic book medium for the last decade or so. Sales have gone down increasingly each year.
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