I voted "no" but only because I think she's not the Pretender, she's the Judas. They can't call her that because she's officially not a mutant (for now), but Exodus is portraying her as the mutant who betrayed her own people. Probably they would have explicitly portrayed her this way if they'd gotten clearance to make her a mutant again.
"Pretender" is a pretty clever choice by Hickman, since it not only suggests that she was pretending to be a mutant (she wasn't, but the mutant kids don't necessarily know that), but it also sounds like "pretender to the throne," and of course Exodus would consider her a pretender to the title of Lord Magnus's heir.
But I do think if they just classified her as a mutant (there's no reason why having an artificially-created X-gene would disqualify her from being a mutant), it would be a stronger story, just like it would be a stronger story if she were on the Avengers where she belongs and the Avengers had to deal with having a sworn enemy of Krakoa on their roster.
TL, DR, I want Wanda to be a mutant and an active Avenger and I've made up reasons why these things would make the X-books better.
A lot of people's pride does. So you seem to be saying if someone iswrong if they take pride in being gay ? Or American? Or part black? Or part Irish? Or part Creek Indian?
Amnnnd? How does this hurt humans?
It's hard to have a culture when you and your people keep having to bounce back from Genocidal maniacs
Soooo who DaFuq is she to comment on mutant culture...you've said it yourself she had no interest in her alleged Mutant status How does that make sense?
Riiight? She hates Mutants but every thread about the Pretender this gets brought up Gasligtnin at its finest
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Bruh this page kills almost every point you tried to make
1. Notice Sentinels not attacking her cause shes not a Mutant...
2. Larry Trask didn't make the Sentinels. If she had used Sentinels developed by a Mutant in the attack Nova woulda wasted no time goading and teasing the X-Men that a Mutant was responsible for the massacre.
As evidence where? Neither Bolivar Trask or Nova are mutants...her Wikipedia page doesn't have her as a Mutant nor does the official Marvel entry And it was a massacre not Genocide...the Sentinels were ordered to destroy Genosha not kill every Mutant. What you the Pretender did was Genocide!
Um Shaw didn't know the full intent or extent of the Sentinels when he found out he killed the dude he partnered with and took over the inner circle
buuut it's almost Never referenced and she doesn't look it. Sooo how is that representation?
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How comics portray Romani is not restricted to Wanda. It's not good representation most of the time, but it still is representation. And it's up to Romani individually to decide what to feel about it. Wanda by and large by the community is still accepted as Romani. Because most know comics aren't gonna even try to get skin color right. They white wash other races as well. But she was born Romani, raised Romani. So she is Romani.
Comics could improve on that but never attempt to do it. For any of the four Romani characters that exist.
About how much it's mentioned. It's about as much as they mention anyone else's background in comics.
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“Bruh,” I’m not going to explain why the Sentinels aren’t attacking Cassandra, because I can’t. What I can say is that in the X titles, being a mutant is determined by DNA. The X books have stated this for decades and decades. Cassandra created herself from Charles’ cells, which are made up of mutant DNA. She is literally made from Charles, physically — she is made up of Charles’ mutant DNA. She HAS to be a mutant, too. No, in Marvel continuity, Marvel has NEVER acknowledged this. But based on the logic Marvel has laid out in the X books, it has to be true.
What really happened here is Grant Morrison was allowed by Marvel editors to sh!t all over the X franchise, creating crazy contradictions like this.
And yes, Larry Trask did create Sentinels. That’s not Larry Trask in those panels there. That’s Larry’s cousin. Larry Trask created the Mach II Sentinels, circa X-Men #57 through #59, in some of their greatest adventures EVER, by the astounding and perhaps greatest X-Men creators since Lee and Kirby — those being Roy Thomas, Neal Adams and Tom Palmer. Now, THOSE were X-Men!
The exact origin of Morrison’s Wild Sentinels was never fully explained, except that it was Trask Sentinels. The reason it has to be Larry Trask’s Sentinels is Bolivar Trask’s Master Mold was destroyed in X-Men #17.
Larry Trask’s Master Mold, which must have produced the Mach II Sentinels in X-Men #57 through 59, was never depicted, as animate or destroyed. By process of the elimination of Bolivar’s Master Mold in X-Men #17, the Master Mold Morrison used to produce the Wild Sentinels had to be Larry Trask’s Master Mold.
Jeez, I have read way too many X comics in my lifetime, LoL! That I know the continuity this well cannot be healthy.
BTW, kudos to Hickman for the concept of a Mother Mold! That is one of the cool things about Hickman’s run, and I don’t love Hickman’s run entirely. But Mother Molds are a great idea.
It was a massacre for sure. But destroying an entire country of a particular “race” of people is not genocide? Obviously, you were not part of drafting the UN Convention on Genocide, and a good thing, too! LOL!
On the other hand, wishing people’s super powers away is not defined as genocide. So, Wanda’s in the clear! LOL!
You’re going to make excuses for a fictional supervillain? The Black King of the Hellfire Club? He didn’t know what he was doing? Oh-kay... LOL!
Regarding Wanda’s ethnicity, I’m pretty sure her new retconned family is Romani seeing as Django is her maternal uncle now
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Cassandra is not a mutant and never has been. Saying that Cassandra is a mutant is like saying that the Phoenix Force is a mutant or Venom's symbiote is a human.
Cassandra can change her body at will because she is an astral being, like a demon or a spirit.
Yes it was Rick Remender, Wanda and Havok were both part of the Uncanny Avengers who had the main mission to unite mutants and humans together and while it wasn´t exactly his intention, I think those dialogues are interesting because they show why they didn´t got anything done for their mission, you can´t serve as a unity force if you don´t understand where the people you are trying to help is coming from or their povs, in this case mutants.
I may be wrong but I got the idea Remender wanted to show with the X-men and Avengers characters the reason why mutants and humans can´t quite get along and had the plan to address it and get into a balance and compromise between the two of them, the problem was that when it came the time to real unity the story felt forced, twisted into supporting just half of that group and then he had to end it quikly because he didn´t want to write the title anymore.
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Remender wrote Rogue and Wanda yelling at Holocaust survivor Magneto that if you kill a Nazi who is starting a mutant and inhuman genocide (Red Skull), you are as bad as a Nazi.
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