Originally Posted by
big_adventure
I will accept being wrong and underestimating Goku then. I'm quite current on Z and S Goku, but it's been a long time since I read the early stuff. For some reason, I had pre-Z Goku in my head as a solid bit slower than Ken - which, now that you make me, you know, think about it, yeah, by the end of DB, he's a lot (read: blitz-level) faster than some people who were already multi-mach speedsters.
I guess the issue is that I have a hard time placing Nolan's combat speed. He's a lot faster than a human, and has some level of super speed (even if a huge amount of Vitrulmite speed feats are travel speed or bull rushes, and they get PIS'd all the time), but where to place him?
He's faster than Mark by some degree.
Mark, very early in his development, was capable of setting up his room completely in like three panels, while on a phone call, while also carrying all of the stuff from his house to the dorm without William knowing he was doing it. Mark is a lot faster than that 120ish issues later, or somewhat faster a few episodes later, show wise.
If we add comic stuff, Mark, after much development since the dorm scene, and Nolan (who is still faster than Mark) are also massively faster than Bulletproof, who does the Flash-standard "spotlessly clean an entire room in a single WOOOOOSH when a person in the room perceives nothing except wind" move when he comes home to a freaking-out girlfriend as his horrible parents are showing up for dinner. And again, Bulletproof's speed is a funny, quaint joke next to Mark and Nolan's.
Nolan also reacts enough to Red Rush to grab him mid-blitz and kill him. We don't have great feats for RR, which confuses where we put Nolan (for me).
So this places Nolan, even TV Nolan, at some level of multi-mach speed. How high? That's trickier.
What's your opinion on it? Where would you relatively place Ken, end of DB Goku and Nolan, relatively? Goku =ish Ken then Nolan? I would say that any of them can kill the others, so it's all down to speed.