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    Quote Originally Posted by mystical41 View Post
    True. She is something more. She is a soul brought to life by divinity that granted her Wild magic and Godly powers. Stronger than Hercules who can lift the heavens, faster than Mercury. Wise as Athena. Somebody that can surpass Gods, has no reason to streuggle with kryptonians. I don't view kryptonians as being above Gods. And WW was created to have unlimited potential. To be capable to surpass Gods and never be second to any man.
    this literally what Superboy Prime, He'l and some versions of Clark do. Deal with it. If your gonna make a female superman outdo mary sue the original, dont be scared when then the og mary sue outdoes the imatator. Diana may be supes level. But superman is the god mod sue of dc comics period and his power is second to none if its written to be because hes the first amongsts equals no matter how many gods or godly heroes there are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystical41 View Post
    She should be now. Because she has been losing the battle of the sexes for far too long. By being treated as the greatest punching bag of all time for alpha white straight males to use.
    Didnt she do hust that in the Dark Metal event, what more do you want, the chick just defeated supes by what the other dude posted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoodj View Post
    this literally what Superboy Prime, He'l and some versions of Clark do. Deal with it. If your gonna make a female superman outdo mary sue the original, dont be scared when then the og mary sue outdoes the imatator. Diana may be supes level. But superman is the god mod sue of dc comics period and his power is second to none if its written to be because hes the first amongsts equals no matter how many gods or godly heroes there are.
    WW is on SM's level according to DC. It is not my fault they only give her lipservice, and then turn around and use her as SM's punching bag. That is their dishonesty. Instead of sayin it like it is. Which is ''we don't really care about WW'' they try to hide it with lipservice. And SM being the first hero means nothing. If Sexism in the industry wasn't so strong, and WW had bsatman level of money making power. You would see far more stories with her kicking SM's butt. But she is a woman. So she was always at a disadvantage when it comes to opportunities. One can only hope that maybe one day things will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Slayer View Post
    Because Miss America is Diana in this story

    You know exactly the comments that will be made.
    And she can be killed by a bullet. So there is no reason to believe she can take hits from greater foes. No wonder SM puts her down in one or 2 hits most of the time. That's the WW you want? Regular weapons are a threat to her. What a powerhouse.

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    Okay, time out:


    Either Hippolyta needs to be a lot stronger, or DC needs to stop pushing Mary Marvel as rival for Diana.


    Or maybe Shazam and Wonder Woman were just never meant to exist in the same universe in the first place.

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    You can tell they were struggling with Mary for female deities/Greco-Roman figures in order to keep the same acronym.

    Fwiw, I don't think Mary gets her powers from female deities anymore. She, Billy, and the others all share the same source now.

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    Are Mary and Freddie supposed to be as powerful, strong, fast, etc as Captain Marvel?

    Are they a notch or two below him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixx9 View Post
    Are Mary and Freddie supposed to be as powerful, strong, fast, etc as Captain Marvel?

    Are they a notch or two below him?
    They are all supposed to be as powerful as Captain Marvel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy_McNichts View Post
    Okay, time out:


    Either Hippolyta needs to be a lot stronger, or DC needs to stop pushing Mary Marvel as rival for Diana.


    Or maybe Shazam and Wonder Woman were just never meant to exist in the same universe in the first place.
    They dont use that anymore for her anyway. She has all the guys Billy has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Slayer View Post
    They dont use that anymore for her anyway. She has all the guys Billy has.
    I think Adam's the only one with a different pantheon now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primal Slayer View Post
    They dont use that anymore for her anyway. She has all the guys Billy has.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I think Adam's the only one with a different pantheon now.
    Booo, female only pantheon is cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm a Fish View Post
    Booo, female only pantheon is cool.
    Either can work so long as it's made explicitly clear that it all functions the same.

    For what it's worth, in the Ordway run, the Wizard remarked that Mary had a more intuitive understanding of his power than Billy, not unlike how Wally's superior manipulation of the speed force compared to Barry.

    Billy is Captain Marvel because of who he is, essentially, and it seems like being a homeless orphan (contrasted with Mary's adoption by the Bromfields, which was significantly less troubled) gave him the gumption combined with his general personality that made him the lead Marvel. Basically, he's a better leader but she may actually just be better at using her gifts.

    But it's pretty clear that Mary is his equal or may one day surpass him. And the power is split evenly among users, so yeah, she's as strong even if the powers come from other gods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy_McNichts View Post
    Okay, time out:


    Either Hippolyta needs to be a lot stronger, or DC needs to stop pushing Mary Marvel as rival for Diana.


    Or maybe Shazam and Wonder Woman were just never meant to exist in the same universe in the first place.
    There is a third alternative. As originally conceived by Marston ALL Amazons were Herc level. Diana was stonger than Herc. Leaving the Kannigher barely enhanced strength Amazons and go back to what they were intended to be. On all fronts
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    Didn't Hippolyta wear the magic girdle to enhance her strength? So she's not necessarily stronger than Herc.

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    Yeah, as I recall it was the girdle that gave her strength and Hercules had to steal it in order to enslave them.

    The simplest explanation is that Mary's strength is on par with Hippolyta when she wears the girdle.

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