DC has done a horrible job at franchise management.

[Rise]

Considering that their quality projects have been been a huge success for them in BO, I don't think they need to cry about anything. It's only some fans who have been crying and unironically want to Disney to become even bigger monopoly by buying DC.

[Goldrake]

Considering that their quality projects have been been a huge success for them in BO, I don't think they need to cry about anything. It's only some fans who have been crying and unironically want to Disney to become even bigger monopoly by buying DC.

That Marvel outperforms DC at BO is obvious - I hate to say that as a DC fan, but we ain't even close.
That Disney will buy DC that won't happen for many reasons antitrust laws one of them.

[Pinsir]

> "DC movies failed!"
> Ignorant person: "Oh, geez, how many did they make?"
> "Actually their shared universe has over 10 films and growing."

I got be real and just say this is fan crap. DC movies have seen continued success and there other media ventures are also very successful. I've said this before, but here we go; the only reason why people don't say the DC franchise is on a roll is because they constantly compare it it to Marvel (which isn't even doing that well right now btw).

If you want to address OP's actual statement, that maybe in the comics things are becoming a bit too JL centric, yeah that has clearly happened. There does come a point though where you have to blame consumers for buying low-tier batbooks over high quality side projects though.

[Pinsir]

That Marvel outperforms DC at BO is obvious - I hate to say that as a DC fan, but we ain't even close.
That Disney will buy DC that won't happen for many reasons antitrust laws one of them.

Outperforming isn't the same thing as 'doing a horrible job.' Marvel has almost always outsold DC properties. If the only reason why you like DC is because its bigger or should be, well, I don't know what to say.

[Citizen Kane]

> "DC movies failed!"
> Ignorant person: "Oh, geez, how many did they make?"
> "Actually their shared universe has over 10 films and growing."

I got be real and just say this is fan crap. DC movies have seen continued success and there other media ventures are also very successful. I've said this before, but here we go; the only reason why people don't say the DC franchise is on a roll is because they constantly compare it it to Marvel (which isn't even doing that well right now btw).

If you want to address OP's actual statement, that maybe in the comics things are becoming a bit too JL centric, yeah that has clearly happened. There does come a point though where you have to blame consumers for buying low-tier batbooks over high quality side projects though.

Financial success is one thing. At least for me, Warner Bros. have yet to make the DCEU as cohesive and well thought out as the MCU. On a side note, I lost interest in the MCU after the main storyline had completed, so make of that what you will.

[Sacred Knight]

What this all tells me is that DC needs to somehow lose the movie rights to Batman somehow, lol.

[Holt]

>
I've said this before, but here we go; the only reason why people don't say the DC franchise is on a roll is because they constantly compare it it to Marvel (which isn't even doing that well right now btw).

According to who, exactly?

[Goldrake]

Outperforming isn't the same thing as 'doing a horrible job.' Marvel has almost always outsold DC properties. If the only reason why you like DC is because its bigger or should be, well, I don't know what to say.

I love DC, I believe DC has the better characters. I believe they have great potential.
But in outside world the general consensus is different from what I might like or want. That DCEU was sinking until the first WW came out is no secret, exploiting the success some movies had, on the other hand doesn't seem a strong point of DC. Having sequels is not enough. Marvel is damn good at merchandising their characters, DC ain't with exception of Batman and to lesser extent Superman.
Now If we DC fans are resigned to be second fiddle to Marvel, I don't like it, not much I can do, but I don't like it.

[SiegePerilous02]

> "DC movies failed!"
> Ignorant person: "Oh, geez, how many did they make?"
> "Actually their shared universe has over 10 films and growing."

I got be real and just say this is fan crap. DC movies have seen continued success and there other media ventures are also very successful. I've said this before, but here we go; the only reason why people don't say the DC franchise is on a roll is because they constantly compare it it to Marvel (which isn't even doing that well right now btw).

If you want to address OP's actual statement, that maybe in the comics things are becoming a bit too JL centric, yeah that has clearly happened. There does come a point though where you have to blame consumers for buying low-tier batbooks over high quality side projects though.

By what measure is the MCU not doing well right now?

[Rise]

That Marvel outperforms DC at BO is obvious - I hate to say that as a DC fan, but we ain't even close.
That Disney will buy DC that won't happen for many reasons antitrust laws one of them.

I have a question for you. What do you care about more? Greedy mega companies becoming richer or getting a project you actually enjoy and of good quality?

[Captain Nostalgia]

I think this all comes down to the fact that people are frustrated with the lack of DCU selection outside of Batman, to which I keep saying....wait until the pandemic is over and things return to normal.

The poster does have a point though. If you look at April comic sales DC leads at the top with all things Batman (Granted a lot of this is issue number 1's for collectors)....

but Marvel has a wider selection of superheroes near the top (Thor, Hulk, Wolverine ect)

Why is it that DC heroes who get multimedia exposure aren't translating into sales outside of Batman? I have no answer for, even Superman sales are quite low in the pecking order of things these days.

[Rincewind]

I have a question for you. What do you care about more? Greedy mega companies becoming richer or getting a project you actually enjoy and of good quality?

Quality is in the eye of the beholder.

But if I enjoy a quality product, I would like for it to be commercially successful. I've loved so many shows that got cancelled prematurely due to lack of commercial success. So my answer is that I want both.

[SiegePerilous02]

What this all tells me is that DC needs to somehow lose the movie rights to Batman somehow, lol.

I'm not gonna lie and say what is essentially a BTAS revival doesn't intrigue/excite me, but it speaks volumes that they'd rather dig up BTAS's corpse rather than give a Wonder Woman cartoon a shot. Despite the fact that she had a successful movie (the first dignified success to come out of the DCEU), helped launched HBO Max and he already has the lion's share of media content.

We also know a WW cartoon was proposed and shot down. That's how we got that JSA DTV from the ashes. I'm frankly kind of stunned we even got a solo Superman cartoon in the works.

[chief12d]

Depends what we understand as franchise, if its just about movies yeah DC is not relying on Batman alone. But for the rest its relying on Batman. As for marketing and milking success from movies like Aquaman and to a minor extent WW, DC is light years away from Marvel.

Personally I look at a franchise as a multimedia IP, meaning you take into account all mediums that a character could potentially be a part of: comics, animation, gaming, and live action shows and movies are the big ones. I weigh live action projects heavier because naturally the investment is higher from the suits that control these IPs and because they have the highest level of visibility for all types of fans.

Live action projects are also the most influential medium as far as how certain characters get changed over time, synergy is a very real thing even if DC isn’t as aggressive as Marvel is. In terms of movies and shows DC clearly sees the writing on the wall and isn’t putting all their eggs in one basket so slowly but surely other mediums are conforming. We wouldn’t be getting a AAA Suicide Squad game if the movies didn’t show there was a market for a team about quippy supervillains and anti-heroes. Static is about to get his first comic in awhile. Aquaman’s getting a cartoon.

DC’s attempts to push non-Batman characters are scattered but an attempt is being made across varying platforms to elevate the profile of several other heroes as a result of live action projects. It may not be happening at the pace we want and it certainly isn’t guaranteed that just because you get an HBO Max show you now get a solo comic, but an attempt is definitely being made. More than in the recent past at least.

You talk as if any of those Marvel characters were as popular then as they are now. I do commend Marvel—they managed to make the largest movie franchise in history without the use of their most iconic characters. But Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern is arguably a much more well-known and iconic lineup, so I don't see how they couldn't be the foundation to a comprehensive cinematic universe. But Warner Bros. has proven incompetent at providing one, and here we are.

I said Batman alone can’t build a cinematic universe as comprehensive as all those Marvel properties combined. I never suggested that if DC got their act together they couldn’t make the League the dominant pop culture force they once were like the MCU is now.

But that requires investing in non-Batman franchises which I’ve stated DC has been trying to do on the big and small screen. It doesn’t always trickle down into comics or wherever (otherwise we’d have an Aquaman ongoing and we’d be seeing a Wonder Woman cartoon) but DC is trying to leverage their iconic roster of characters.

[Goldrake]

I have a question for you. What do you care about more? Greedy mega companies becoming richer or getting a project you actually enjoy and of good quality?

honestly I would like good quality and fun movies in the likes WW, Aquaman and Shazam.
If they do well I have a better chance of getting more of them. If they don't, like a good part of DCEU movies those chances are quite less.