My Adventures With Superman Animated Series Heading to Adult Swim

[Vordan]

The Bendis Legion looks are fine, I was one of the few who seemed to not have a problem with them. Its just the reboot from a narrative pov that needs to die and hopefully won't be adapted anywhere else. Grafting the looks on top of better takes though, that I'd be all for.

Safe bet they’ll be tied to Clark. I wish he had made Cosmic Boy black and Lightning Lad Asian though, really don’t need another black hero with electric powers at DC. And Cosmic Boy is a powerhouse in terms of abilities so it would’ve opened up some interesting stories to tell with a black character imo.

[Ascended]

No idea. Hollywood is against genuine diversity and representation. So they take white characters (mostly) redheads and make them black and call it representation.

Meanwhile, characters like Jefferson Pierce, Mari McCabe, Dr. John Henry Irons and Natasha Irons; who have pre-established relationships with Superman and Metropolis are overlooked and ignored.

That's what I was saying a few pages back when the race bending conversation took off.

I'm all in for representation, and anyone who knows me knows that. But this isn't representation; using Ron Troupe, John Henry, Nat Irons, Gangbuster, Maggie Sawyer, Shay Veritas....*that* would be representation. What we have here is taking a secondary character who's just barely important enough to be called "important" and making a superficial change (let's be real, Jim hasn't mattered very much in a long damn time). Now, maybe the characters I just mentioned will show up, I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few of them did. And that'll be great. But they're not being hyped up as part of the core cast.

This almost never happens to the "truly" important characters (sometimes, but not often), just the ones who have stuck around long enough to be quasi-recognizable. And it's usually the ginger redhead, because gingers are the only group where it's still socially acceptable to joke about them and nobody is gonna get pissy about the demographic being removed/changed. This isn't a win for diversity, this is ignoring the incredible PoC who already exist and throwing a thin coating of paint on a white guy.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are times when a little race bending can be a benefit. Lois being half Asian works really well for me; her father's a general and at some point he came home from overseas with a wife and daughter. Cool, that helps play up Lois' background as a army brat and it doesn't change her visual to such a degree that she's unrecognizable. But Jimmy being black is a pretty big shift, and doing that while someone like Ron Troupe remains unused just rubs me the wrong way. It just feels like a lazy attempt to diversify while leaving the actual diverse characters out of the equation. And I'm not even saying they should replace Jim with Ron; use both!

As for Lois being petite, I'm not bothered by it. Lois should be a beautiful woman but that doesn't just mean "porn star curves" either. I didn't think "young male" when I saw her; it's clearly a woman, she's cute (for a drawing), and her personality really comes across in that promo art.

And all this....it's just nitpicking. I am beyond excited that Clark is finally getting a cartoon again, I'm beyond thrilled that it's aimed at kids and an all-ages audience. I might have to wait until the blu-ray for this but it's definitely gonna find its way into my daughter's movie collection.

[Veni]

To be honest I don't think a lot of the Sook designs would adapt well outside his art. But that's just me.

I guess it's also on a design-by-design basis. I'm not against a more diverse Legion off-hand (once again racebending a redhead aside) but I don't think we need naked sand Dream Girl or whatever the heck Sook's Phantom Girl is supposed to look like.

I remember seeing people complain online about Sook's character design of Karate Kid. Karate Kid's look was seen as stereotypical even tho Sook is Asian himself.

[Frontier]

I remember seeing people complain online about Sook's character design of Karate Kid. Karate Kid's look was seen as stereotypical even tho Sook is Asian himself.

I liked Kid's design in the Legion cartoon and Trapped in Time...

[Holt]

I really don't get why y'all are fixating on gingers being targeted here. They are not the only white demographic that gets racebent.

[Frontier]

I really don't get why y'all are fixating on gingers being targeted here. They are not the only white demographic that gets racebent.

True, it just kind of stands out that redhead seems to always equal racebending with an African-American actor whenever it comes up.

[Doctor Know]

I really don't get why y'all are fixating on gingers being targeted here. They are not the only white demographic that gets racebent.

True, it just kind of stands out that redhead seems to always equal racebending with an African-American actor whenever it comes up.

What Frontier said. A lot of people have noticed the pattern of red haired characters being racebent almost exclusively to be black.
When you look at the list, it's more than enough to raise an eyebrow.

Jimmy Olsen in CW Supergirl, American Alien, Superman Red Son animated movie, and now My Adventures With Superman.
Wally West in comics, DCAU and CW.
Iris West CW and DCEU.
Hawkgirl CW.
Starfire on Titans.
Batwoman CW in season 2.
MJ in the MCU.
April O’Neil in Rise of the TMNT.
The Little Mermaid Ariel for the live action remake.
Annie The Musical with Jamie Foxx.
Bow from She-Ra remake.
Cyclone for the upcoming Black Adam movie.
Red Sonja upcoming Conan movie.
Lightning Lad and Lightning Lass in Bendis' Legion of Supheroes.


Lana Lang, Lex Luthor, and Maxima remain the unaltered redheads in Superman's sphere. Hold your breath and expect that to change in the not-to-distant future.

[Jcogginsa]

What Frontier said. A lot of people have noticed the pattern of red haired characters being racebent almost exclusively to be black.
When you look at the list, it's more than enough to raise an eyebrow.

Jimmy Olsen in CW Supergirl, American Alien, Superman Red Son animated movie, and now My Adventures With Superman.
Wally West in comics, DCAU and CW.
Iris West CW and DCEU.
Hawkgirl CW.
Starfire on Titans.
Batwoman CW in season 2.
MJ in the MCU.
April O’Neil in Rise of the TMNT.
The Little Mermaid Ariel for the live action remake.
Annie The Musical with Jamie Foxx.
Bow from She-Ra remake.
Cyclone for the upcoming Black Adam movie.
Red Sonja upcoming Conan movie.
Lightning Lad and Lightning Lass in Bendis' Legion of Supheroes.


Lana Lang, Lex Luthor, and Maxima remain the unaltered redheads in Superman's sphere. Hold your breath and expect that to change in the not-to-distant future.

Superman and Lois does have a Black Lex Luthor but he's explicitly and alternate universe version

[Pinsir]

Starfire still has red-hair in Titans also her character is an orange alien...Also Lana Lang was played by a half-Asian actress in Smallville.

[Holt]

Nothing about that jumps out to me. If we look at the list of non-redheads:

Brown haired:
Nick Fury (Black in the MCU, the video games, the cartoons and just about every other modern piece of media featuring the character)
Heimdall (Black in the MCU)
Martian Manhunter (John Jones persona is Black in Smallville, Young Justice, the Arrowverse, the DCEU and post-Flashpoint comics)
The Wasp (Asian in the Ultimate Marvel universe and the Ultimate Avengers films)
The Forgotten One (Asian in the MCU)
Ned Leeds (Asian in the MCU and The Spectacular Spider-Man)
Mercy Graves (Asian in The Batman, the DCEU and the post-Flashpoint comics; Black in Titans)
Carlton Drake (Desi in Venom)
Ox (Latinx in The Spectacular Spider-Man)
Inspector Henderson (Black in Lois and Clark, Superman: The Animated Series and Black Lightning)
Star Boy (Black in the 3boot Legion and the Legion of Superheroes cartoon)
Maverick (Asian in X-Men Origins: Wolverine)
Mouse (Black in the post-Flashpoint comics)
Maxwell Lord (Latinx in the DCEU)
Fredzilla (White in Big Hero 6)
Rudy West (Black in the Arrowverse)
Adeline Kane (Asian in Titans)
Gorgon (Black in the Inhumans show)
Molly Hayes (Latinx in the Runaways show)
Ghost (Black in the MCU)
Hawkman (Black in the DCEU; ambiguously dark-skinned in DC Super Hero Girls)

Black haired:
Catwoman (Black in certain episodes of the 60s Batman show, The Lego Batman Movie, DC Super Hero Girls, Harley Quinn and the upcoming The Batman reboot)
Sersi (Asian in the MCU)
Veronica Lodge (Latinx in Riverdale)
Shocker (Black in MCU)
Daisy Johnson (Black in MCU)
Baron Mordo (Black in the MCU)
Ajak (Latinx in the MCU)
Floyd Lawton (Black in the DCEU and the upcoming Suicide Squad video game)
Stuff the Chinatown Kid (White in the Vigilante serials)
Tom Kalmaku (Maori in the Green Lantern movie)
Reggie Mantle (Asian in Riverdale)
Dilton Doiley (Asian in Riverdale)
Two-Face (Black in Batman 89 and The Lego Batman Movie)
Raymond Warren (Desi in The Spectacular Spider-Man)
Fancy Dan (Black in The Spectacular Spider-Man)
The Scorpion (Latinx in the Ultimate universe, Into the Spider-Verse and the MCU)
Cosmic Boy (Asian in the post-Rebirth Legion)
Donna Troy (Asian in DC Bombshells; Black in Earth One: Titans)
Raven (Native American in Earth One: Titans)
Elektra (Asian in the Daredevil TV series)
Tigress (Asian in Young Justice and Stargirl)
Tom Curry (Native America in Mercy Reef; Polynesian in the DCEU)
Roulette (Asian in Smallville and the Arrowverse)
Halo (Middle Eastern in Young Justice)
Sin (White in the Arrowverse)
Wasabi-No Ginger (Black in Big Hero 6)
Madame Xanadu (Black in Swamp Thing)
Crazy Jane (Latinx in Doom Patrol)
Lois Lane (Asian in Mt Adventures with Superman)
Superman (Black in the upcoming JJ Abrams reboot)


Blondes:
Valkyrie (Black in the MCU)
Liz Allan (Black in the MCU; Latinx in Spectacular Spider-Man)
Jasper Sitwell (Latinx in the MCU)
Alicia Masters (Black in the 2005 Fantastic Four movies and the FF: World’s Greatest Heroes cartoon)
Felix Leiter (Black in the post******** Royale Bond movies)
Miss Moneypenny (Black in the post******** Royale Bond movies)
Makkari (Black in the MCU)
Supergirl (Latinx in the DCEU)
The Human Torch (Black in the 2015 Fantastic Four movie)
Melody Valentine (Black in Riverdale)
Flash Thompson (Latinx in the MCU)
Maggie Sawyer (Latinx in Supergirl)
Cat Grant (Black in The Death of Superman)
Artemis Crock (Asian in Young Justice and Stargirl)
Jean DeWolff (Native American in The Spectacular Spider-Man)
Roderick Kingsley (Black in The Spectacular Spider-Man)
Sally Avril (Asian in The Amazing Spider-Man)
Deb Whitman (Black in The Spectacular Spider-Man)
Honey Lemon (Latinx in Big Hero 6)
Freckles Marvel (Black in the post-Flashpoint comics and the New 52)
Pete Ross (Black in Smallville)
Deena Pilgrim (Black in the Powers TV series)
Steve Trevor (Black in Earth One: Wonder Woman)
Astra Logue (Black in the Arrowverse)
Etta Candy (Black in the Wonder Woman pilot, the post-Flashpoint comics and Wonder Woman: Bloodlines)
Dove (Black in Titans)
Jericho (Asian in Titans)
Aquaman (Polynesian in the DCEU)
Black Canary (Black in the DCEU)
Princess Ravonna (Ambiguously brown in Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes; Black in the MCU)


Gray/Misc:
The Kingpin (Black in the 2003 Daredevil movie and the MTV Spider-Man show)
The Ancient One (White in the MCU)
Perry White (Black in the DCEU)
Franklin Storm (Black in the 2015 Fantastic Four movie)
Blink (Asian in the X-Men movies and The Gifted)
Happy Sawyer (Black in Agent Carter)
Al “Mack” MacKenzie (Black in Agents of SHIELD)
Manchester Black (Black in Supergirl)
The Jackal (Desi in The Spectacular Spider-Man)
Blind Al (Black in the Deadpool movies)
Kenny “Kong” McFarlane (Asian in The Spectacular Spider-Man)
Slipknot (Native America in the DCEU)
Firepower (White in the MCU)
Dr. Emil Hamilton (Black in Smallville)
Hugo Strange (Asian in Gotham)
Dolphin (Indian in Young Justice)
Karnak (Asian in the Inhumans show)
Wintergreen (Black in Titans)

If you look at the list, you see that with a few exceptions, they're predominately supporting or ensemble characters. It's as I said; modern adaptations of decades old properties racebend some of the cast to be more inclusive, but they rarely have the. nerve to go all the way and alter the main character. Thus, their supporting characters (friends, love interests, ect.) usually are the ones changed. And redheads just happen to make up a disproportionately large chunk of supporting characters vs. actual protagonists.

[Pinsir]

There is a chance that Lois Lane in this show might be East Asian too, because her voice actress, Alice Lee, is East Asian (though American born). Normally I wouldn't make this connection, but there was a movement in these past few years to cast specific characters with voice actors that mach their race.

[Vakanai]

I'm fine with any Fortress design that looks cool and not like a cave (sorry SM & L) .

Fixed it for you.

[Vakanai]

What Frontier said. A lot of people have noticed the pattern of red haired characters being racebent almost exclusively to be black.
When you look at the list, it's more than enough to raise an eyebrow.

Jimmy Olsen in CW Supergirl, American Alien, Superman Red Son animated movie, and now My Adventures With Superman.
Wally West in comics, DCAU and CW.
Iris West CW and DCEU.
Hawkgirl CW.
Starfire on Titans.
Batwoman CW in season 2.
MJ in the MCU.
April O’Neil in Rise of the TMNT.
The Little Mermaid Ariel for the live action remake.
Annie The Musical with Jamie Foxx.
Bow from She-Ra remake.
Cyclone for the upcoming Black Adam movie.
Red Sonja upcoming Conan movie.
Lightning Lad and Lightning Lass in Bendis' Legion of Supheroes.


Lana Lang, Lex Luthor, and Maxima remain the unaltered redheads in Superman's sphere. Hold your breath and expect that to change in the not-to-distant future.

I often forget that Lex Luthor is a redhead. Probably because of, you know, the baldness.

Also as a kid I 100% thought that Lex Luthor was black in S:TAS.

[Frontier]

There is a chance that Lois Lane in this show might be East Asian too, because her voice actress, Alice Lee, is East Asian (though American born). Normally I wouldn't make this connection, but there was a movement in these past few years to cast specific characters with voice actors that mach their race.

I'm not really expecting it to effect the plot or character at all but I guess I'm kind of curious who they'll cast for Sam and Lucy if they show up.

[ZuLuLu]

What Frontier said. A lot of people have noticed the pattern of red haired characters being racebent almost exclusively to be black.
When you look at the list, it's more than enough to raise an eyebrow.

Jimmy Olsen in CW Supergirl, American Alien, Superman Red Son animated movie, and now My Adventures With Superman.
Wally West in comics, DCAU and CW.
Iris West CW and DCEU.
Hawkgirl CW.
Starfire on Titans.
Batwoman CW in season 2.
MJ in the MCU.
April O’Neil in Rise of the TMNT.
The Little Mermaid Ariel for the live action remake.
Annie The Musical with Jamie Foxx.
Bow from She-Ra remake.
Cyclone for the upcoming Black Adam movie.
Red Sonja upcoming Conan movie.
Lightning Lad and Lightning Lass in Bendis' Legion of Supheroes.


Lana Lang, Lex Luthor, and Maxima remain the unaltered redheads in Superman's sphere. Hold your breath and expect that to change in the not-to-distant future.

Hawkgirl CW was not race-bent from a redhead. Kendra Saunders on CW looks like Kendra Saunders in the comics mixed with black heritage.

Batwoman in season 2 is an original character and therefore not race-bent. Kate Kane was played by two white actresses.