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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtynun View Post
    Ahhh, have your read way of x, it's is literally stated that David is an omega level mutant because he has an infinite number of personalities each possesing a power he can use when in control. They didn't say unspecified they said infinite. You do not have the say so to dictate what an omega level can or can't do, even cerebro can't that's why they are omega in the first place. Had jean done what she did to galactus prior nope! But yet she still did on a whim when she needed to. The only caviat for them is the fact that omega takes a while to charge up like when storm had to connect with several star systems planets celestial energies to take out all of killmongers fleet she had to meditate for a while to do so. But she has also absorbed the entire power of a galactic core on a whim something she hasn't done before and was desperate to kill the brood within her.
    The infinite part was most definitely hyperbole. And having a lot of powers does not mean you have infinite power. legion would get stomped by helllords and skyfathers. That's just a lie,they said to have unknown potential, to say they have infinite potential is beyond asnine. Yes a limited machine cant pick up on potential, it seems more like a flaw from cerebro.

    Yes she did!! Future Jean before confronting galactus and the surfers, confronted galactus and terrax, and even with the psionic energy of the phoenix added, she could do little against galactus. You're literally not even considering how her powers work, she needs to absorb the psionic energy of the people around her, she didnt have enough energy just out of the 4 surfers to even scratch galactus, it's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyworthnoting View Post
    The infinite part was most definitely hyperbole. And having a lot of powers does not mean you have infinite power. legion would get stomped by helllords and skyfathers
    Well the text says infinite if Dr Nemesis used that as hyperbole he would have indicated it. Also didn't he already do what an established hell lord cannot and erased her dimensions elder gods. Also aren't sky father's at most on the same level as elder gods? Didn't they give birth to the other pantheons and such or I was tripping when read the marvel handbook.

    Listen I already stated an omega is basically an infinity stone for their power. There is no bottom or if there is it's answer is the same as infinity minus one which might as well be infinity. The word used was undefinable not undefined the former indicates incalculable, unknowable, unreachable all things which ascribe to infinity, the latter refers to a very big number that is yet to be discovered this can be applied for all the most powerful mutants whom are not omega like rouge and such. But undefinable upper limit means unknowable or unreachable upper limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rang10 View Post
    On her pink form she can use the energy of the livinf beings around her, like a genki dama
    Yes, she did that with the psionic energy of the phoenix and she couldn't even hurt him(she did knock him down tho).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyworthnoting View Post
    Yes, she did that with the psionic energy of the phoenix and she couldn't even hurt him(she did knock him down tho).
    Yes something that Odin a skyfather using all his might did and was knocked out. Last I checked wasn't nova with the nova force stalemated by silver surfer? And we all know that galactus is severely above surfer's pay grade infact he issues his checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtynun View Post
    Well the text says infinite if Dr Nemesis used that as hyperbole he would have indicated it. Also didn't he already do what an established hell lord cannot and erased her dimensions elder gods. Also aren't sky father's at most on the same level as elder gods? Didn't they give birth to the other pantheons and such or I was tripping when read the marvel handbook.

    Listen I already stated an omega is basically an infinity stone for their power. There is no bottom or if there is it's answer is the same as infinity minus one which might as well be infinity. The word used was undefinable not undefined the former indicates incalculable, unknowable, unreachable all things which ascribe to infinity, the latter refers to a very big number that is yet to be discovered this can be applied for all the most powerful mutants whom are not omega like rouge and such. But undefinable upper limit means unknowable or unreachable upper limit.
    He erased lower featless elder gods, although impressive they have no feats to say they stand up to someone with such a high reputation as mephisto, most skyfather's like odin and zeus are WAAAAAAAAAAY beyond mephisto, like being capable of slightly staving off galactus. Incalculable=/=infinity. You can't claim something you dont know to be infinite, it's that simple. Most omega's lose to cosmic characters like heralds and eternals. You just need to accept that mutantdom is so closed-off from the larger marvel-verse and that they would most certainly fall to other threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtynun View Post
    Yes something that Odin a skyfather using all his might did and was knocked out. Last I checked wasn't nova with the nova force stalemated by silver surfer? And we all know that galactus is severely above surfer's pay grade infact he issues his checks.
    odin broke galactus helmet and was going toe to toe against galactus in telepathy during that fraction run, lets not compare jean to characters entirely out of her reach ayt?

    No. Nova was losing to the surfer, but surfer was trying to help him getting people out of the planet galan was about to "devour"

    Yes galactus is severely stronger than surfer, but jean would still lose to the surfer without having the required psionic energy to stave him off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyworthnoting View Post
    odin broke galactus helmet and was going toe to toe against galactus in telepathy during that fraction run, lets not compare jean to characters entirely out of her reach ayt?

    No. Nova was losing to the surfer, but surfer was trying to help him getting people out of the planet galan was about to "devour"

    Yes galactus is severely stronger than surfer, but jean would still lose to the surfer without having the required psionic energy to stave him off

    Still got sent back into the Odin sleep meanwhile jean bitch slaps him and was still awake. The required energy would be gathered by her like she did the last time and she will beat him just like she did to the other four. Hell when she fought the other four it was on a whim she didn't even use the pink form. Meaning she doesn't need it for surfer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyworthnoting View Post
    He erased lower featless elder gods, although impressive they have no feats to say they stand up to someone with such a high reputation as mephisto, most skyfather's like odin and zeus are WAAAAAAAAAAY beyond mephisto, like being capable of slightly staving off galactus. Incalculable=/=infinity. You can't claim something you dont know to be infinite, it's that simple. Most omega's lose to cosmic characters like heralds and eternals. You just need to accept that mutantdom is so closed-off from the larger marvel-verse and that they would most certainly fall to other threats.
    Featless elder gods are still elder gods who are in cannon still beings who predate skyfathers so your logic doesn't hold. Skyfathers are leaders of their pantheons that doesn't put them above elder gods there is no where in all of cannon that states a skyfather is above an elder god. Elder gods are primordial beings that hold immense cosmic power.

    Also synonyms for incalculable are limitless, countless, undeterminable, endless, undefinable and oh infinite. Please it's in the text legion is omega because he has an infinite amount of personalities period! the other omegas are omega because they have undefinable( i.e. incalculable,endless, limitless, undeterminable.....etc) upper limits. And magneto is one of them the nova force is nigh limitless so implying there are inherent limits to it's power which can be reached, whilst omegas have power which has undefinable upper limits it's cannon it's in print.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtynun View Post
    Still got sent back into the Odin sleep meanwhile jean bitch slaps him and was still awake. The required energy would be gathered by her like she did the last time and she will beat him just like she did to the other four. Hell when she fought the other four it was on a whim she didn't even use the pink form. Meaning she doesn't need it for surfer.
    Yes because galactus is indeed above odin and skyfathers, which are >>>>featless elder gods. and not only that odin knocked him down from space onto earth, jean with all the power she could gather FROM GALACTUS HIMSELF AND THE PHOENIX, still couldnt do anything to him.

    That's just a straight lie, even on this thread you can check the screenshot and clearly see that she's glowing pink when blasting the 4 surfers, meaning that she had to take the powers of the surfers and galactus to do that feat, it really doesnt matter because these were AU surfer's and a 616 surfer would simply erase jean's psionic energy and either deactivate her x-gene or simply tp her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtynun View Post
    Featless elder gods are still elder gods who are in cannon still beings who predate skyfathers so your logic doesn't hold. Skyfathers are leaders of their pantheons that doesn't put them above elder gods there is no where in all of cannon that states a skyfather is above an elder god. Elder gods are primordial beings that hold immense cosmic power.

    Also synonyms for incalculable are limitless, countless, undeterminable, endless, undefinable and oh infinite. Please it's in the text legion is omega because he has an infinite amount of personalities period! the other omegas are omega because they have undefinable( i.e. incalculable,endless, limitless, undeterminable.....etc) upper limits. And magneto is one of them the nova force is nigh limitless so implying there are inherent limits to it's power which can be reached, whilst omegas have power which has undefinable upper limits it's cannon it's in print.
    My logic literally doesnt hinge on who comes first, but on who has more power by feats, and those elder gods literally did nothing to suggest they were even mephisto level, maybe not even thanos level. They hold power alright but simply not on the level of other prominent abstracts/hell lords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtynun View Post
    Featless elder gods are still elder gods who are in cannon still beings who predate skyfathers so your logic doesn't hold. Skyfathers are leaders of their pantheons that doesn't put them above elder gods there is no where in all of cannon that states a skyfather is above an elder god. Elder gods are primordial beings that hold immense cosmic power.

    Also synonyms for incalculable are limitless, countless, undeterminable, endless, undefinable and oh infinite. Please it's in the text legion is omega because he has an infinite amount of personalities period! the other omegas are omega because they have undefinable( i.e. incalculable,endless, limitless, undeterminable.....etc) upper limits. And magneto is one of them the nova force is nigh limitless so implying there are inherent limits to it's power which can be reached, whilst omegas have power which has undefinable upper limits it's cannon it's in print.
    BY definition, incalculabe means you do not have the means to calculate such power levels, but a trip to the thesaurus is probably the best you could manage yh? Legion does not have infinite personalities at all, you would literally need to analyze every personality to know that they even exist, and doing that to an infinite amount of them... you guessed it right, takes an infinite amount of time. Not only that it has never been stated to be infinite. You can have a "seemingly" amount which literally just means we gave up and wont count any further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyworthnoting View Post
    BY definition, incalculabe means you do not have the means to calculate such power levels, but a trip to the thesaurus is probably the best you could manage yh? Legion does not have infinite personalities at all, you would literally need to analyze every personality to know that they even exist, and doing that to an infinite amount of them... you guessed it right, takes an infinite amount of time. Not only that it has never been stated to be infinite. You can have a "seemingly" amount which literally just means we gave up and wont count any further.
    I am not saying they are infinite English is.
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    Whether you like it or not they are infinite point blank period. If you can't understand that you are welcome to go burn the sea for all I care. Legion has infinite personalities that is cannon he is omega because of it same applies to all his omega colleuges and their respective powers. Having infinite magnetic powers doesn't mean you are omnipotent it simply means you have absolute ultimate control over magnetism nothing can surpass you nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyworthnoting View Post
    My logic literally doesnt hinge on who comes first, but on who has more power by feats, and those elder gods literally did nothing to suggest they were even mephisto level, maybe not even thanos level. They hold power alright but simply not on the level of other prominent abstracts/hell lords.
    So you are saying marvel doesn't know their charachters? Elder gods predate skyfathers in power their likes are those of chthon, gaea, oshtur, knull among others. They are above the sky father's they are their progenitors. Trying to squeeze a way to low-ball legions feat by saying those gods were featless so hence would not have been that strong...please where did you get that from. They were powerful enough that illyana God of limbo needed legion to come deal with them. And he didn't even break a sweat.

    All this culminate to the gentleman with the nova force, unless that helmet is canonically non metallic he is getting wrecked by magneto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtynun View Post
    I am not saying they are infinite English is.
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    Whether you like it or not they are infinite point blank period. If you can't understand that you are welcome to go burn the sea for all I care. Legion has infinite personalities that is cannon he is omega because of it same applies to all his omega colleuges and their respective powers. Having infinite magnetic powers doesn't mean you are omnipotent it simply means you have absolute ultimate control over magnetism nothing can surpass you nothing!
    Yes and the english language is also saying a synonym is underteminable. It is indeed you who's choosing to say that they're "infinite". When nothing really points at it. Absolute control over magnetism???? Dont make me laugh, can he control every aspect of magnetism on a cosmic-quantum scale in the multiverse??? You're clearly talking out of tunnel vision. You can only see things out of an x-men perspective. And forget how big the universe gets, and how small mutants are in comparison. cosmic entities would literally do what magneto does in his sleep, heralds have literally controlled the magnetic fields on stars. Pls open up your eyes.

    And i'm glad you gave up on that jean grey>>galactus rhetoric. was worried

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtynun View Post
    So you are saying marvel doesn't know their charachters? Elder gods predate skyfathers in power their likes are those of chthon, gaea, oshtur, knull among others. They are above the sky father's they are their progenitors. Trying to squeeze a way to low-ball legions feat by saying those gods were featless so hence would not have been that strong...please where did you get that from. They were powerful enough that illyana God of limbo needed legion to come deal with them. And he didn't even break a sweat.

    All this culminate to the gentleman with the nova force, unless that helmet is canonically non metallic he is getting wrecked by magneto.
    No one said they didn't, like?????? elder gods just like any other group of characters diverge in power, you could never compare these fodder elder gods to the likes of the vishanti, but by feats you cannot compare them to odin as well. I'm not lowballing legion, I'm stating facts. You're mad because legion isnt above skyfathers and that's it.

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