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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Destroying a good character for over a decade to promote white people's idea of equality?
    In the comics I referred to, Claremont had the problem of a character who he had redeemed into a "face" back to a "heel". He had to find an in-character reason, and the one he settled one was Magneto picking up on Moira potentially altering his genes making it unlikely that it was his "choice" to do it. So once that happens, Magneto's overwhelming pride, coupled with the bad advice of the Acolytes lapsed him back. Claremont didn't want to do that story but in serial storytelling terms, dude found an in-character reason to make that choice work while also having Magneto still have some of his knowledge and personality from his "good" days.

    So in the case of Otto, if you go back to Dying Wish, you'll see that Otto's first instinct is to selfishly use the Peter/Spider-Man identity for evil and not really try and be a superhero. It was Peter forcing his dying memories into his mind that made Otto feel bad and resolve to be a good guy. So technically everything Otto does in Slott's Superior is Peter's doing and not really Otto acting per his free will.

    That way you can solve the problem of Dr. Octopus's entire purpose being a dude who exists for Spider-Man to beat up while the story in the last decade disastrously tried to slide him into a new role and function he can never inhabit as well as the one Ditko intended for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    In the comics I referred to, Claremont had the problem of a character who he had redeemed into a "face" back to a "heel". He had to find an in-character reason, and the one he settled one was Magneto picking up on Moira potentially altering his genes making it unlikely that it was his "choice" to do it. So once that happens, Magneto's overwhelming pride, coupled with the bad advice of the Acolytes lapsed him back. Claremont didn't want to do that story but in serial storytelling terms, dude found an in-character reason to make that choice work while also having Magneto still have some of his knowledge and personality from his "good" days.

    So in the case of Otto, if you go back to Dying Wish, you'll see that Otto's first instinct is to selfishly use the Peter/Spider-Man identity for evil and not really try and be a superhero. It was Peter forcing his dying memories into his mind that made Otto feel bad and resolve to be a good guy. So technically everything Otto does in Slott's Superior is Peter's doing and not really Otto acting per his free will.

    That way you can solve the problem of Dr. Octopus's entire purpose being a dude who exists for Spider-Man to beat up while the story in the last decade disastrously tried to slide him into a new role and function he can never inhabit as well as the one Ditko intended for him.
    Well, even that didn't really stick as much because eventually Otto kept doing it because he liked all the attention and flattery that being a hero got him with none of the comebacks of being a villain.

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